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Postby Warpigs » Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:31 am

First things first, I know that depending on the Redskins backfield is a big mistake and I'm not going to argue that for a moment. However, looking at the current state of the Redskins backfield, Morris is suddenly looking like an intriguing addition off free agency as a back-end bench option with trade upside. How many people are taking a flier on Morris? What can he seriously do if given the chance to start a few weeks while the other backs mend?
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Re: Alfred Morris

Postby Maris09 » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:44 am

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Looks like a pretty nice schedule to start. Might be the guy there for the first few weeks.
I took a flier real late.
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Re: Alfred Morris

Postby petedog9 » Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:35 am

MOTHER FATHER!! SON OF A BISCUIT!! I am cutting bait on the whole Washington RB squad as a whole. I grabbed Royster late but am dumping him becasue I freaking hate Shannahan and should have none better from the word jump.... Screw Morris!! ! Screw Royster!! Screw Helu!!! Screw Hightower !! Screw all of them!!! %-6
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Re: Alfred Morris

Postby SameSongNDance » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:07 pm

So, I'm a huge advocate of Morris. It is however important to keep his performance in context, he was after all playing quite possibly the worst rush defense in the league.

Here's what I like about Morris..

- he's the epitome of a downhill runner, he keeps his legs churning and always gain those two extra yards, this is something WAS has needed since Portis

- he is durable, only being injured once in his career where I believe he missed one game, this is ABSOLUTELY key and is the main reason I believe Shanny has been playing RB carrousel over the past decade (would have stuck with Torain)

- he fits the scheme perfectly (better than THT, Helu and Royster), he's a one cut and go type of back

Here's what I don't like..

- he's clearly unproven, we only have a small sample size to work with

- he's a rookie so of course he needs to work on his blocking (this has improved as the preseason has progressed however)

- he put the ball on the ground 16 times in college, this will be the biggest hurdle to overcome if it rears it's ugly head in the pros

- he lacks burst in the second level but IMO more than makes up with it with above average strength, vision and balance (this is a wash)

- he will more than likely forgo 3rd-down duty to THT regardless

All in all I think you could do far worse with your RB lottery ticket. I think he's a GL back WAS has been looking for since Portis. I will personally be taking late round fliers in a majority of leagues as a I see 1,000 yard 10 TD potential. There is upside here.
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Re: Alfred Morris

Postby TTTBone » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:23 pm

1,000 yd 10 TD potential, SSAD?
Okay, I'll give you "potential", but, then again, not very farking likely.
Morris is a nice late round flyer, but the learning curve for an undrafted rook RB is pretty out of the park.
Even if he were to manage to capture the starting position due to performance/injury, the rest of the RB corps (particularily Helu, if injury free) would see significant touches. So even as a starting RB for Washington, I see his best case scenario @ about 850 and 6 td's. That's a best case.
Right now, he's a sexy, under the radar choice. Someone to take a waiver/late round flier on.
But, really, Just one of those guys to "keep an eye on", not much more.

Hell, I now personally own him in two dynasty and one keeper leagues.
But, 1,000/10 for the Washinton Redskins?
Not a farking chance.
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Re: Alfred Morris

Postby Flyn high again » Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:24 pm

The way Shanahan tosses RBs on the bench from one week to another, I try to avoid having to decide if he's going to bench the guy I pick each week. It's so much easier to skip the entire Washington RB roster. That said, I might take a very late round/waiver flyer on Morris and stash him on the end of the bench. However, unless he suddenly turns into the apple of Shanny's eye and gets a permanent role as RB1, he's probably the first guy on my bench to go when I need a bye week kicker.
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Re: Alfred Morris

Postby SameSongNDance » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:39 pm

TTTBone wrote:1,000 yd 10 TD potential, SSAD?
Okay, I'll give you "potential", but, then again, not very farking likely.
Morris is a nice late round flyer, but the learning curve for an undrafted rook RB is pretty out of the park.
Even if he were to manage to capture the starting position due to performance/injury, the rest of the RB corps (particularily Helu, if injury free) would see significant touches. So even as a starting RB for Washington, I see his best case scenario @ about 850 and 6 td's. That's a best case.
Right now, he's a sexy, under the radar choice. Someone to take a waiver/late round flier on.
But, really, Just one of those guys to "keep an eye on", not much more.

Hell, I now personally own him in two dynasty and one keeper leagues.
But, 1,000/10 for the Washinton Redskins?
Not a farking chance.


My ceiling projections are indeed lofty but I largely believe the main reason Shanny has never stuck with one back stems from durability issues (started in 07 I believe). Morris has no shot at 3rd-down work with Helu healthy but as an early down specialist and GL back I could see him blowing away expectations if he A) gets the start against NO and B) stays healthy enough to keep the job. I think he has the skill set to produce in this offense. Either way, you get to play the Shananigans slot machine for free here. I'll gamble.

Also, historically speaking, Shanny has never played his starter in the 4th preseason game. I like ALMO's odds to start.
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Re: Alfred Morris

Postby moochman » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:06 pm

Agree with Samesong, Alfie should have a good chance to win the feature job until he cannot handle it. Now not handling it could mean missing a block, dropping a pass, fumbling, or simply not being productive. I like the idea of a power back with RGIII possibly scaring the bejeezuz out of Ds. This could work from day one. Surely worth the asking price.
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Re: Alfred Morris

Postby SameSongNDance » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:43 pm

I'm copy and pasting part of this post from a dude named sspunisher on another message board. Some one broke this down earlier to me more clearly, but this is a good recap and the pattern remains..injury..



2007: 1st year in a while that Shanahan hadn't produced a 1,000 yard rusher. I believe injuries or possibly a drug related type of suspension for Travis Henry?
2008: Shanahan's last year in Denver. Shanahan couldn't keep an RB healthy to save his life. The Travis Henry suspension might have come here. Either way, Shanny must have had 6 RBs who had between 30-70 carries and all of them fell to injury at one time or another.
2 Year Hiatus...
2010: Torain was getting workhorse type of carries on his way to 1,000 yards and...you guessed it, another injury derailed that.
2011: Drafts Helu, Royster, and trades for Hightower. That to me comes across as a "#### this, I'm fixing this problem once and for all" type of offseason. Most talented stable he's had in years. Hightower gets workhorse carries early in the year and was touted by many as one of the biggest steals of the fantasy season and then....he gets injured. Later in the season Helu gets workhorse carries, starts putting up monster numbers and...you guessed it again, he gets injured. Royster then finishes the year on a high note, making the most out of his workhorse carries.
2012: Hightower still recovering from ACL, Helu has whatever the hell he has in both of his achilles so Shanny gives the nod to Royster b/c of how he finished 2011 and surprise...he gets sidelined by a knee injury. Enter Alfred Morris.
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Re: Alfred Morris

Postby da bears » Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:35 am

I don't believe that the learning curve for an undrafted rookie rb is any different than a #3 overall pick rb. If Shannahan actually sticks with him 1,000 yards and 10 TD's isn't that crazy at all. That's only a little under 70 yards a game and the Skins using him at the goal line.
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