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Postby Confluence » Mon Jul 21, 2003 4:19 pm

I think Vick will be every bit the QB McNabb has become. I also think that like McNabb, Vick will spread the ball around. Look at his weapons... Dunn, Ducket, Price, Crumpler, Finneren, and himself. Price will be a vital part of the Falcon Offense but that won't translate into big fantasy points... 800 - 1000 yards and 6 TDs.
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Postby 9er Fan » Mon Jul 21, 2003 4:43 pm

Atlanta is a running team, not a passing team (4th in the league in rushing, 23rd in passing). Their starting QB last year threw 16 TDs. If Price were going to the Dolphins how would you feel?
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Postby flex nuts » Mon Jul 21, 2003 5:56 pm

Consistency, consistency, consistency!

Those are what to keep in mind when viewing the Vick/Price combo. Like Harrison, Price is the man with the most talent on the receiving end. Both Harrison and Price are quantam leaps ahead of their #2 counterparts. So what does consistency have to do with anything? Harrison is such a great WR b/c Manning is such a consistent QB! He's a ridiculously smart and gifted quarterback who puts up solid performances game after game.
Workin on the basics is great news to hear from Vick fans. This means he's working to stay in the pocket and deliver more solid games. If Vick becomes a solid QB who is able to stay in the pocket, make smart reads, maybe scramble when he sees an opening, then Price will be seeing great numbers. And Vick's fantasy potential will sky rocket.
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Postby tjhksig » Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:45 pm

Everyone is forgetting schedules. Look at the pass defenese he faced last year vs. the ones he will face in (most notable, the division matchups).

at Dallas 4:15 pm
Sun 9/14 Washington 1:00 pm
Sun 9/21 Tampa Bay 1:00 pm
Sun 9/28 at Carolina 1:00 pm
Sun 10/5 Minnesota 1:00 pm
Mon 10/13 at St. Louis 9:00 pm
Sun 10/19 New Orleans 1:00 pm
bye
Sun 11/2 Philadelphia 4:15 pm
Sun 11/9 at NY Giants 1:00 pm
Sun 11/16 at New Orleans 1:00 pm
Sun 11/23 Tennessee 4:15 pm
Sun 11/30 at Houston 1:00 pm
Sun 12/7 Carolina 8:30 pm
Sun 12/14 at Indianapolis 1:00 pm
Sat 12/20 at Tampa Bay 1:30 pm
Sun 12/28 Jacksonville
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Postby dgroundhog_ffc » Tue Jul 22, 2003 6:00 am

Chiming in again on a few things.

First, I didn't mean to belittle the talent or future productiveness of Price or Ward. I owned Price last year and was very happy with his production where I drafted him. I thought he fell a little too far last year, and he could appraoch Moulds numbers with Bledsoe at the helm. Ward was undrafted in many leagues. This year, they are going in round 4 during a run on WR's after all the top RB's get snapped up. As a rule, I generally stay away from players who rise that much in one year. Neither of these guys is going to make me break that rule. Buress would interest me much more than Ward due to his size and physical presence. If either was available in the 6th round, I'd probably be all over them.

Moulds production has been up and down his whole career. His best numbers were when he burst on the scene his first year. After that, he was pretty much a disappointment to his owners, and many swore him off completely after those failures. Last year he re-emerged, but how much of that was Bledsoe and how much was Price emerging early and demanding equal coverage? I'd say Bledsoe has more to do with it, but Moulds' past history makes him a question mark. After the top 3 WR's, I'll take the next best one that falls to me.

Vick was another player I owned last year after getting very late in the draft. He was drafted in my money fantasy league as a rookie, but 9 of 10 teams took QB's before Vick last year, which allowed me to take him after round 10. He was spectacular to watch, but he didn't put up much for passing stats, in fact several times he failed to top 200 yards passing. He gets Price this year, a WR with 1 great year under his belt. WR's tend to struggle after switching teams. Price being the only threat should offset part of that, but when you add everything up I don't see taking Price in the late 3rd early 4th, or Vick in the first or even 2nd round.

There are too many question$ about the Vick/Price combo for me to inve$t my fanta$y...ahem...pride in.
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Postby Flux » Tue Jul 22, 2003 11:40 am

Ward has had 2 straight 1000+ yd seasons. I just dont understand how people dont see him being a top 10 or even higher WR
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Postby The Dude_ffc » Tue Jul 22, 2003 11:46 am

I love the title of this strand. Let's be serious about Price! googely, moogely fling flang boomoo...ok, now to be educated. As stated above, the falcons have a difficult schedule ahead of them. Look at Vick's numbers from games against Tampa. Then, you have Philly, NO, Carolina twice. I see several low scoring, Feely oriented games.
What I am deducing is that Price will have a tougher time this year because A. tougher schedule B. new system C. first time he has been #1 guy.
On the other hand, I have 4 fingers-bada ching. On the other hand, Vick was a scrambler because his recievers couldn't get open. Atlanta's system is dumbed down to make it simpler for Vick. He takes pride in his name Peerless and works hard to be so.
So, in my educated opinion there are pros and cons to Price but select him if the price is nice and he drops too far in your draft.
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Postby awwchrist » Tue Jul 22, 2003 12:09 pm

Flux wrote:Ward has had 2 straight 1000+ yd seasons. I just dont understand how people dont see him being a top 10 or even higher WR


I think everyone has to have Ward in their top 10.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:32 pm

flex nuts wrote:Like Harrison, Price is the man with the most talent on the receiving end. Both Harrison and Price are quantam leaps ahead of their #2 counterparts. So what does consistency have to do with anything? Harrison is such a great WR b/c Manning is such a consistent QB! He's a ridiculously smart and gifted quarterback who puts up solid performances game after game.


What!?!? Are you seriously comparing one of the greatest WR of our generation to Peerless Price? Harrison is good because of Manning??? I can see how the two combine to become the most prolific WR/QB duo in the league, but no way does Manning determine Harison's greatness. Harrison is an old fashioned practice-practice-practice guy who never stops practicing his route running. The man is a master of his craft. Obviously it helps that Manning is too, but Harrison would be a stud wherever he played.

And why are some of you talking about Ward? He's a top 10 in my book, but thats another thread. What does he have to do with Peerless?

Now, about that tough schedule the Falcons are facing -
How many NFL teams are studying film from the TB-ATL game right now? Wasnt that pretty much a blueprint on how to stop Vick - the contain wedge I believe they called it?

Ive seen a lot of posts turning to my reasoning on this thread. Is Price a top 15 WR?
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Postby massraider » Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:01 pm

I think the Falcons schedule looks good, fantasy-wise.

BTW, I sure am glad the Bucs figured out how to stop Vick. Now the rest of the NFL doesn't have to worry about him. No sweat, any defense with Warren Sapp, Simeon Rice, Derrick Brooks, and Rhonde Barber should have no trouble with him this year.

Vick was the equivalant of a college senior last year. He might not be worth a first rounder, but I doubt too many keeper league owners will be dropping him because of the 'contain wedge'.
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