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Bush/Kerry/Nader/Badnarik?

Bush
23
40%
Kerry
27
47%
Nader
4
7%
Badnarik
3
5%
 
Total votes : 57

Postby skinsfan » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:13 pm

As for the people who say, "I don't like Kerry or Bush, I'll take Nader", that is very ignorant. Nader doesn't run independent because he has extremely unique beliefs, it's because the Dems would never elect him.

I agree that both candidates are not the best choices, that makes this election an example of a nepocrasy, a government in which all choices are bad, in the eyes of some people. But choose the lesser of the two evils in that case.

Also, if Bush doesn't have enough "accomplishment", then how much does Kerry have? His only experience comes in the form of votes in the senate. As the records holds, Kerry has doubled back on many issues and re-doubled repeatedly. Such inconsistency is unacceptable in my opinion. Our nation's goal must be clear and concise, and it isn't with a president who can't make up his mind, or whose mind is easily manipulated by political implication.
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Postby skinsfan » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:16 pm

please cut down on the use of gigantic quotes! it makes it bordering impossible to comprehend your message, and makes much easier to ignore them, as 95% of your post has been written or quoted 4 times before. We have already read those posts, and we understand the views and assertions made. Just state your point, and what you are responding too briefly.
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:16 pm

portisfan24 wrote:
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dihall wrote:I love it!! You people ask why I am voting for Bush and I tell you my personal reasons and I am told I am spewing diatribe, then you ask for things he has actually done, I list them and then you think they are actually made up. Do you think a liberal website will list his accomplishments?? I really don't care why you choose to vote the way you do, but I know who I am voting for and my reasons and I don't have to justify them to any of you whether you believe me or not. We all have the right to our opinions no matter how contrived they are. I just hope that if Kerry wins that he will be able to do all that he has promised and not raise taxes. I will believe it when I see it! It all sounds good, but how do you think all of that "free" stuff comes around? From all those that actually work. Vote for who you believe in but don't ask for something and get it and then think it is a lie.

Exactly.

Here's the point of this, guys. I think we can all agree that everyone who has posted in this thread more than three times already knows who they are going to vote for. Our vote isn't going to change no matter what we write or what the other side says. We're basically trying to "justify our pick" and hopefully sway people that may not have decided yet. It's fun to read, but it really serves little purpose as to win an argument between the posters here who are obviously decided voters.

BTW, just for the other side's sake, have we heard any reason why we should vote for Kerry due to his record yet? All I read about is what Bush has done wrong as to justify the Kerry vote. :-)


so true..everyone is anit-bush. why dont you go for a pro-kerry approach?


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Postby skinsfan » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:26 pm

Good point about the pro-Kerry issue. People just seem to be sick of Bush. As for the fates of my other topics that specialized, I thought this was General Talk...ah well we'll have to settle for his unorganized format.
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Postby Count_Rugen » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:29 pm

dihall wrote:O.K. Bush enacted a huge tax break for millions of people of all socioeconomic levels with children

Signs military construction appropriations bill to improve military housing

Signs terrorist relief act giving relief to those affected by Sept. 11 as well as the Oklahoma City bombing, for example

Established US freedom corps

Signs job creation and assistance act

Signs border security and visa entry reform act

Signs nuclear arms treaty along with Putin

Signs bioterrorism and public health security bill

Signs corporate corruption bill

Signs homeland security and terrorism insurance act

National flood insurance act

Liberated millions in Afghanistan

Signs bill expanding the Amber Alert

Signs job and growth tax relief reconciliation act

Signs US leadership against AIDS/HIV, Tuberculosis and malaria

Signs keeping children safe act

Would you like me to continue? You can check it out for yourself if you like. http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Bush.htm


At home now. A couple beers in me. I'll reply to this last one because I was on dihall earlier about it...

1.) As someone else mentioned, this came from a TOTALLY biased site. Every single one of those things you listed is skewed and only tells half the story. Tax cuts for all levels of society? True. BUT, lets actually look at the numbers of his 2003 tax cut, shall we?
***88%: Percentage of American citizens who will save less than $100 on their federal taxes as a result of 2003 cut.
***$42,000: Average savings members of Bush's cabinet are expected to enjoy this year as a result in the cuts.
***$42,228: Median household income in the US in 2001 (compare with what I posted above).
***All in all, 60 percent of the population will get only 8.5 % of the tax benefits, whereas the top 1 percent will reap 38.9 %.

"huge tax break" dihall? Yeah, for who? Think about it.

Lets also look at his "signs arms treaty with putin." What it leaves out is that he blatantly withdrew from the old nuclear treaty (anti-ballistic treaty), setting a precedent giving any country the right to pull out of nuclear treaties (i'm sure you remember that debacle, hoardes of security specialists were/are decrying it as anti-productive and harmful). Him signing the treaty with Putin was a public relations joke. It's a farce of "treaty." Nothing but ink on paper.

Those were the only two that really leapt out at me because of how ridiculously skewed they are. As for the rest, I don't see one thing that any person would not sign into law if it came across their desk, so I don't believe it's debate fodder for our purposes. Kerry (or anybody) would just have easily expanded "Amber alert," etc...

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Postby skinsfan » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:31 pm

It's a 4-day weekend for us schoolboys in DC! I'll try to make a few posts stoned outof my mind if possible, I'll probably end up rallying Larouche :D
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Postby awwchrist » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:34 pm

skinsfan wrote: As for the fates of my other topics that specialized, I thought this was General Talk...ah well we'll have to settle for his unorganized format.


Well it's not like you guys dont already have 13 pages of commentary. Why can't it remain as such?

If you're really serious about continuing your discussions on multiple fronts, you're more than welcome to move to the baseball cafe where they've created a forum for such fun stuff apparently.
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Postby skinsfan » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:35 pm

is our username the same for baseball cafe? I could make a coup over their lol
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Postby dihall » Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:29 pm

I am growing very tired of all this. I don't see anything that you can show about what Kerry has done. I don't give a friggin' rip how you vote, I just hope you will be able to live with your choice, no matter what you do. I'm done with this. Keep on ripping opinions that go against your guy and I'm sure this thread will tire itself out. Peace!!
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Postby skinsfan » Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:43 pm

Let's turn this into one of those pointless National Conventions:

BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! ARNOLD ARNOLD ARNOLD!

Everyone, unless you want to kill our innocent babies, please vote Bush. Once the zygote is formed, if cared for properly, it will someday be a 20-year old playing fantasy football and drinking Sam Adams with kids of its own. So please don't endanger our future by randomly killing off our future and potential, what if Einstein were conceived now and were aborted two weeks later? That is not a chance we can take. So please vote Bush and preserve our excellence.

I say this because whoever is elect president will choose supreme court justices, and if conservatives are chosen, the chances the Roe v. Wade is overturned are significantly higher.
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