well some guy in one of my leagues took him at number 2 overall, and owens in the next round, round three tony gonzalez. -- and everyone mocked him. his backs out of the draft were emmit smith and mcgahee.
I guess you can see where this is going.
I personally wouldn't spend a first rounder on him -- unless I had a ladder or near ladder pick, then I think I would.
Seriously, the "no qb" rule in first round drafting is semi limiting.
you would have been way better off to take culppepper, manning, and to a lesser extent, mcnabb than some other late first round, second round backs. I'd rather have any of them than dominack davis, fred taylor, barlow and some of the others.
I know you can't predict the type of season they are having, but seriously. I think those guys are as likely to repeat (within reason) as are some 2nd round backs are likely to not pan out.
All that said, I agree that there is a big confluence of events helping manning, and the soft d's are one of them, and the fact that they have THAT many weapons. An indy o without edge or harrison is a different beast.
If the Colts get rid of both Marvin and Edge (which I would recommend... but it won't happen) and draft a hot rookie WR, then I'd draft Manning around high 2nd. But I never draft a QB in the first. NEVER. This year changes nothing...
But Peyton will likely still be my #1 draft pick (for QBs... not overall) next year.
iloveny18 wrote:next year. I'll tell you right now, those who will pick him are going to be very dissapointed. here's why. unless the colts somehow keep edge and marvin together (which i highly doubt) they will lose one or the other. it's already obvious that manning's #s will drop if they lose marvin. but remember when edge was hurt, mannings INTs went up. they will most likely not resign edge. they will lose the running game and since edge is one of the best RBs in the game, defenses won't have to respect the running game as much. that play-action pass that manning works to perfection so much will not be as effective.
any thoughts? i'm not saying manning will have a horrible season, just that he won't have a season like he's having this year and IMO he's not worth a 1st rounder
even if they get a different wr besides marvin, stokely and reggie wayne can hold the passing game together, trust me.
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vuch wrote:i took manning as the 7th overall pick and i was made fun of, but im in first 2 gams ahead of everybody
Same story here. But there was a method to my madness. I calculated that Dom Davis and Dillon would slip through until the 2nd and 3rd rounds and luckily, I was right. And now with the Priest out, I'm gunning for the top spot this week.
i usually hold off on qbs til after the 3rd round, when i have already snagged my first 2, or 3 rbs...i waited until the 7th round for aaron brooks( i know he isnt doing great) but it has worked, im in first place. of course i also picked up brees of WW 4 weeks ago and have been starting him i just dont see myself being able to throw down a first round pick for a qb, whether it be manning or c-pep...rbs are where the most points are scored consistently( at least in my leagues) and the fact that my leagues start 2 rbs and only 1 qb means there is more pressure to get the top tier rbs since there will be less to go around
iloveny18 wrote:they will lose the running game and since edge is one of the best RBs in the game, defenses won't have to respect the running game as much. that play-action pass that manning works to perfection so much will not be as effective.
It's not like once they lose Edge (if they do), they won't be allowed to have an RB on their team. Travis Henry looks like a great option for Indy.
there will be alot of competition for henry this offseason. they'll probably draft a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round. they really don't need to spend $ on a good one
Henry is a good pickup for a team but I doubt there will be a fight for him. You could say there is a plethera of RBs hitting the market this offseason(I watched the 3 amigos last week). Look at these names though:
S. Alexander E. James R. Williams T. Henry A. Thomas R. Johnson L. Jordan J. Jackson
Henry and Ricky are the only guys locked into a contract on that list and henry is probably the fourth best option of all of them. Add that to what looks like a good RB draft class, and Henry and Ricky's value may only be a late round pick at best. We could see both of them stay on their own teams just because RBs won't have great trade value this offseason.
the only problem is, that SA will probably resign or get franchised, and a few of those backs aren't as good as henry/r.williams. there are lots of teams that are looking for a RB this year. dallas, detroit, TB, arizona, miami, and oakland are teams that look like they need rb's. but if indy doesn't get henry (and they're not getting ricky) then the rest of the RBs aren't nearly as good as edge. i think indy will likely go after one of the RBs from the bunch in minnesota