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Postby SwiperNoSwiping » Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:11 am

Boy, Gonzo got mugged all night long. They don't seem to call those illegal contact penalties against New England still.
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Postby deluxe_247 » Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:12 am

that sucks.
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Postby Demented Avenger » Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:10 am

The elite liberal New England media owns the referees, obviously.
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Postby irishclown » Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:55 pm

The elite liberal New England media owns the referees, obviously.


All I have to say is HA HA!! and san fran sucks dude!!
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Postby Demented Avenger » Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:40 pm

irishclown wrote:san fran sucks dude!



OK...

If you're talking about this year, thanks, I hadn't noticed. I'd like to see how long the Patriots had a winning record if they were owned by John York.

And if you're talking about in general...


Niners SB record: 5-0.
Niners' Average SB point differential: 20 points!!! 20 friggin' points!!! Averaged over 5 superbowls!!!

Just so you realize, both those things are ridiculous.
That's really all i need to say, but I'll keep going.

Patriots SB record: 2-1.
Patriots' Average Patriots SB point differential: -3.
(That means you've been outscored in super bowls by about 3 points a game, on average)

Best QB of all time: 49er
Another Top 5 QB : 49er (I'd say 2nd best, but you'd argue)
Best WR of all time: Patriot (Jerry Rice was a Patriot right?)
Creator of offense used widely 20 years later: 49er


I guess you probably meant this year?
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Postby Atog » Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:59 pm

Demented Avenger wrote:
Best QB of all time: 49er
Another Top 5 QB : 49er (I'd say 2nd best, but you'd argue)
Best WR of all time: Patriot (Jerry Rice was a Patriot right?)
Creator of offense used widely 20 years later: 49er


I guess you probably meant this year?



and whose rating scale are we using? Sure, most people do agree that Jerry Rice is the best WR of all time, but to say that SF has two top 5 QBs is crazy. Dan Marino, Brett Farve, Troy Aikman, and hell, even Peyton Manning are pretty equal with, if not better than Young.
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Postby ljthockey » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:18 pm

Demented Avenger wrote:
irishclown wrote:san fran sucks dude!



Best QB of all time: 49er
Another Top 5 QB : 49er (I'd say 2nd best, but you'd argue)
Best WR of all time: Patriot (Jerry Rice was a Patriot right?)
Creator of offense used widely 20 years later: 49er


I guess you probably meant this year?


First off the best QB of all time isnt a fact its an opinion so you cant really say that. Best wide out? Jerry Rice was a niner way longer than anything else and I dont think he was on the pts.
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Postby Demented Avenger » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:21 pm

I don't wanna get in an argument about this... I was just a little upset at that guy.

I didn't count how many QBs Young is better or worse than, I'm just saying his general skill level is elite, probably top 5. You may not know that he is the top-rated QB in NFL history (97).

I can't think of many more QBs in the modern era as good as the 4 you just mentioned, and if they are all better than Young, that would make him #6.

You could even make a good argument that Joe isn't #1. All I'm saying is 2 very very very good QBs vs. 0 for New England.

And it's not crazy to say they're both top 5, it's just not widely agreed upon. Joe Montana IS a top 5 qb, and an argument CAN be made for Steve Young.


Even without all that ranking crap, a 20 point margin of victory over 5 super bowls (much less a perfect 5-0 record) is a feat unparalleled in professional sports (I have no idea if this is true, but it sounds like it probably is).

Anwyays, yeah, Kennison was awesome last night.
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Postby Demented Avenger » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:23 pm

ljthockey wrote:Best wide out? Jerry Rice was a niner way longer than anything else and I dont think he was on the pts.


I was going for sarcasm with the Jerry Rice was a Patriot thing. Rice has even said he will retire as a 49er.

And sorry that your thread got jacked.

According to some TSN thing I found ranking 100 best NFL players of all time:

#2: Jerry Rice
#3: Joe Montana
#23: Ronnie Lott
#63: Steve Young, behind Montana, Unitas, Otto Graham, Sammy Baugh, John Elway (forgot him), Dan Marino, Roger Staubach, Sid Luckman, Bart Starr, Terry Bradshaw, Bobby Layne, and Fran Tarkenton. Not counting people who played before the '70s, that would put Young at about 6th, above both Aikman and Favre.
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Postby goleafsgo96 » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:31 pm

Montana is definately top 5, Steve Young could certainly be considered top 5, Jerry Rice was the greatest Wr of all time, and Moss has the potential to overtake him but hasnt done so yet.
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