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Postby CC » Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:43 am

All 3 teams won today. Looks like Auburn's gonna get screwed.
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Postby Mustangs989 » Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:59 am

Simply horrible.....I think that's about the only way to describe the BCS :-t
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Postby SwiperNoSwiping » Sun Dec 05, 2004 11:00 am

Yeah I know...California or Texas is going to get screwed too, I think. During the Hawaii- Michigan State game last night they kept saying their "BCS expert" said that because Cal struggled against Southern Miss that Texas was going to pass them.

I think Texas is a great team, but I thought Southern Miss was a top 25 team a good bit this year. USC kinda struggled too, should they be dropped? I don't think so..

But Texas has looked good. I guess since it's so wishy-washy, 2 teams are likely to get screwed.
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Postby Free Bagel » Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:47 pm

This is actually why I think it was a mistake to put the BCS more in the hands of people.

With last year's version of the BCS, I bet Auburn would have gotten in based on SoS and quality wins.

Now, they took that out and made the human polls 2/3rds of the BCS.

Here's the problem I have. USC and Oklahoma started the season #1 and #2, Auburn started #17. People aren't willing to move Auburn ahead of them because technically those 2 didn't do anything to "lose" the top 2 rankings.

I would be willing to be $100,000,000 that if Auburn and OU had started the season at #1 and #2, and USC had started #17, that USC would be the one sitting at #3 now. But in reality, where they started the season ranked has NOTHING to do with how good they are now

I still don't understand this, it's the same as last year. You've got 3 teams with the same record, the one that played the cakewalk schedule should get left out.
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Postby Free Bagel » Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:50 pm

And don't cry for Cal and Texas, what a couple of overrated scrubs. Cal by all intents and purposes has two losses. The quality of their competition saved them when they played Oregon, were up by 2 with less than a minute left, had Oregon on 4th down, and then an Oregon WR dropped an absolutely wide open pass that would have either been a TD or setup the game-winning chip-shot FG. And when I say wide-open drop here, I mean the type of pass I could catch with my feet. No defenders within 10 yards, a nice floated ball right between the numbers.

Texas has the worst offense I've ever seen out of a "top 5" team. Anytime they play a team that has 4 wins on the year, they're offense gets shut down.
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Postby VHawk15 » Sun Dec 05, 2004 11:32 pm

Okay, here's my take on the BCS situation. First of all, I hate the system. College football is the only sport on any level that doesn't have a playoff system, and they need one badly. I think they need to create at least an 8 team playoff. The Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, and Rose Bowl can be quarter or semi-final games, and then the final game is basically college football's version of the Super Bowl. The venue changes from year to year. The rest of the bowls are the same.

Anyway, onto this year. The system we have in place is meant to select the two best teams, and that happened this year. So even the BCS itself is flawed, it accomplished its' goal this year. USC and Oklahoma are the two best teams in college football. Sorry, but if Auburn wanted to prove that they are better than one of these schools, then they should've scheduled better nonconference teams that Louisana-Monroe, Louisana Tech, and The Citadel. Also, their team should've came to play in the SEC championship. If it wasn't for Jason Campbell's incredibly performance, they wouldn't have even been able to pull off a win against a team starting a 3rd string true freshman QB.

So, too bad for Auburn but they have only proven to be the 3rd best team in the country, and they need to be the second to have a chance at the title. Our BCS system currently is designed to pick the two best teams, and based on both polls, it did that this year. Last year was a mess. This year was just unforunate for one team.
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Postby CC » Sun Dec 05, 2004 11:45 pm

Going undefeated in the toughest division in the NCAA should warrant a NC berth.
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Postby VHawk15 » Sun Dec 05, 2004 11:55 pm

Canadian_Cheesehead wrote:Going undefeated in the toughest division in the NCAA should warrant a NC berth.


I agree that it should mean Auburn has a shot to play for the national championship (in a playoff), but it doesn't mean that they are one of the top two teams in the countries. I am 100% confident that USC, Oklahoma, and maybe a few other teams could've gone undefeated with Auburn's schedule.

But the fact remained that the BCS's shot is to choose the two best teams in the country, and it did its' job.

Anyway, here's a rough idea of a playoff layout for a future season. Eight teams make the playoffs. The champions of the 4 power conferences (SEC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac-10), plus four at-large teams. These two at-large teams would be based on just a few categories, including strength of schedule, record, and the average of the two polls. Also, the champions of the Big East and ACC would be strongly considered for at large teams, but to avoid getting a "Pittsburgh" in the playoff, they wouldn't get an automatic bid.
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Postby portisfan24 » Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:33 am

Is there a single person alive who supports the BCS?
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Postby Free Bagel » Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:05 am

VHawk15 wrote:Sorry, but if Auburn wanted to prove that they are better than one of these schools, then they should've scheduled better nonconference teams that Louisana-Monroe, Louisana Tech, and The Citadel.


I'm sorry, but this REALLY bothers me. There is no difference from one really bad team to another. There's no difference from Louisiana Tech to Colorado State.

Auburn played far and away the toughest schedule. To say that USC's schedule even COMPARED to Auburn's is a joke. While Auburn was playing Georgie, LSU, and Tennessee twice, USC was playing who besides Cal? Oregon? Stanford? Washington State? Give me a break.

VHawk15 wrote:Also, their team should've came to play in the SEC championship. If it wasn't for Jason Campbell's incredibly performance, they wouldn't have even been able to pull off a win against a team starting a 3rd string true freshman QB.


This is even worse. So they get hurt for *only* beating the #15 team in the nation by 10 points, while meanwhile in the game on right before it USC barely held on to a 5 point victory against a 6-5 UCLA team? Excuse the valley girl impressionation here, but puhuleaseeeee.

And what is this about "if not for Jason Campell's incredible performance.."? Uh, where have you been? Campbell's been doing that all year. You don't hear anyone saying "if not for Peyton Manning's incredible performance Indy might have lost this week."

Bottom line is USC barely squeaked out victories against the great teams of Stanford, Oregon State, and UCLA.

There is no doubt in my mind that Auburn is a superior team to USC. And I still stand by my notion that the ONLY reason they're ranked 3rd out of the 3 is that they started the season 3rd out of the 3, and I would still bet $100,000,000 that if Auburn had started the season #1 and USC started #17 instead of vice versa, that Auburn would be #1 right now and USC #3.
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