steelyeri wrote:kevinoc81 wrote:Bennett4Prez wrote:kevinoc81 wrote:C-Pepp is definately no underrated! Everyone knows what he can do. He is always the 2nd QB taken in every draft and I think you kind of made a good point when you brought up the Moss thing. That's the knock against him I think. Almost any QB in the NFL could put up good numbers throwing to Randy Moss. Imagine Peyton Manning with Moss added to his arsenal. Just for argument's sake too, that #4 RB that the Vikings had to deal with did better than a lot of teams #1 RB so you can't say that hurt him too much.
But he doesn't look just to Moss. He had 4 catches today. And, he wasn't even the leading receiver yardage-wise.
This is not meant to be a "I hate Daunte statement." Rather, I just don't think he's overrated. I think he is a good QB. Not great, but good. He puts up great stats, but I think those stats are a little inflated. I think without Moss he would put up numbers similar to McNabb without TO. Good numbers, just not great numbers.
Today was one game, and most will agree with me when I say Moss simply being on the field opens things up for Daunte and his other receivers.
Cpepp put up these #s despite moss missing like a month of action. and people seem to still use that as an excuse to write off everything that Cpepp does. Manning had harisson all year. I know culpepper has moss but harrison is probably the second or third best receiver in the league. Manning also has Edge. Not to mention wayne and stokley.
Before the beginning of last season I was one of the only people arguing that Cpepp was better than manning. I heard every argument trying to discount the numbers that culpepper puts up. I even had viking fans arguing with me. Even if he is not better I just don't think that it's as automatic as everyone says. I tried to make the point last year that their numbers aren't that far apart yet manning is the greatest ever and Cpepp is only considered good not great.
If you add culpepper's rushing he had over 500 more all purpose yards than manning and only eight touchdowns less. I beleive Cpepp is a more complete QB. I could go on and on but probably won't change anyone's mind. just wanted to get my two cents in. I think culpepper is very underrated.
Here is my point.
Week 1 - 242 yards, 5 TD/0 INT
Week 2 - 343 yards, 1 TD/1 INT
Week 3 - 360 yards, 2 TD/0 INT
Week 5 - 396 yards, 5 TD/0 INT
Week 6 - 425 yards, 5 TD/2 INT
Week 12 - 235 yards, 1 TD/1 INT
Week 13 - 279 yards, 2 TD/3 INT
Week 14 - 270 yards, 1 TD/0 INT
Week 15 - 404 yards, 3 TD/1 INT
Week 16 - 285 yards, 3 TD/0 INT
Week 17 - 299 yards, 2 TD/0 INT
Week 7 - 183 yards, 1 TD/0 INT
Week 8 - 231 yards, 1 TD/2 INT
Week 9 - 169 yards, 1 TD/0 INT
Week 10 - 363 yards, 4 TD/0 INT
Week 11 - 233 yards, 2 TD/1 INT
I'm sorry, but that just doesn't look like the same QB without Moss to me. His yards/game is down (his four lowest games of the year), His TDs/game are down (1/2 of his games with only 1 TD came without Moss, 5 of his 6 3-TD+ games came with Moss). I know he had a great game against the Packers in week 10 without Moss, but that looks more like an outlier than the norm. Like I said, he is good without Moss, but he isn't great.
And you are correct, Manning has Harrison, who is a great WR. He also has Edge, but I believe at least one of the Vikings four RBs are as good as Edge (may catch some heat for that, but I don't like Edge that much). Manning makes Wayne and Stokley good, they would not be considered as good as they are if Manning wasn't hitting them in the numbers with everything. Also, C-Pepp has Robinson and Burleson so it's not like he's hurting for 2nd and 3rd WRs.
It's just with Manning I see a lot more pin point accuracy type passing and with C-Pepp I see a lot more heave the ball and let Moss go get it passing.
Like I said, I am not trying to bring C-Pepp down, I just don't think he is underrated.