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Postby The Lung » Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:16 pm

My thoughts on the performance put in by all the first round picks of the 2004 draft. What are your thoughts?

1 San Diego (Rights traded to N.Y. Giants)  Manning, Eli QB After Kurt Warner was benched, Manning struggled mightily. But the jury is still out and if the Giants ever get an offensive line and some decent wide receivers, Eli could soar.

2 Oakland  Gallery, Robert OT Not the impact player or as dominant as was projected.

3 Arizona  Fitzgerald, Larry WR Given the Cardinals quarterback woes, Fitzgerald did about as well as could be expected. With a healthy Boldin back next year, look out!

4 N.Y. Giants (Rights traded to San Diego)  Rivers, Philip QB Drew Brees was NFL Comeback Player of the Year and Rivers barely saw the field.

5 Washington  Taylor, Sean FS Taylor became an immediate impact player to bolster Washington's defense to 3rd in the league, but his rookie campaign was marred by a DUI charge.

6 Cleveland (from Detroit)  Winslow, Kellen TE The highly touted tight end broke his right fibula in the second game of the season and was put on injured reserve.

7 Detroit (from Cleveland)  Williams, Roy WR Williams shone bright early in the season but struggled with an ankle injury for the remainder. With a healthy Charles Rogers next year, he could be deadly.

8 Atlanta  Hall, DeAngelo CB Missed the first six games of the season with a fractured hip but had 4 interceptions in Atlanta's remaining ten games.

9 Jacksonville  Williams, Reggie WR Biggest non-injury bust of the 2004 draft? Williams caught only 27 passes and one touchdown for 268 yards all season.

10 Houston  Robinson, Dunta CB This rookie barely missed the Pro Bowl in his first season! His numbers were staggering: 87 tackles, 6 interceptions, 3 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 19 passes defended and 146 return yards.

11 Pittsburgh  Roethlisberger, Ben QB Offensive rookie of the year. Could be leading his team to the Superbowl over the next two weeks.

12 N.Y. Jets  Vilma, Jonathan ILB Defensive rookie of the year. 107 tackles, and tied for third in the league among linebackers with 3 interceptions.

13 Buffalo  Evans, Lee WR Despite having woeful Drew Bledsoe at QB, came on strong late in the season to post 48 catches for 843 yards with nine touchdowns on the year!

14 Chicago  Harris, Tommie DT As Chicago struggled late in the season, so did Harris. Put up 43 tackles and 3.5 sacks, but had no sacks after week 8.

15 Tampa Bay  Clayton, Michael WR Despite three different quarterbacks and a rotating cast of WRs opposite him, caught an outrageous 80 balls for 1193 yards and seven TDs!

16 Philadelphia (from San Francisco)  Andrews, Shawn OT Broke his right leg in his first career start and was lost for the season.

17 Denver (from Cincinnati)  Williams, D.J. OLB Was a menacing presence for the Broncos this year and was 13th in the league amongst linebackers with 114 total tackles.

18 New Orleans  Smith, Will DE No, not THAT Will Smith. One of the lone bright spots for the Saints this year, he caused 6 forced fumbles, tied for first in the league amongst defensive linemen.

19 Miami (from Minnesota)  Carey, Vernon G Played in 14 games for the Dolphins this year, but the offensive line is still one of the worst in the league.

20 Minnesota (from Miami)  Udeze, Kenechi DE Started in 14 of 16 games for the Vikings but had just five sacks.

21 New England (from Baltimore)  Wilfork, Vince DT Started in six of the first seven games for the Pats this season, but was used sparingly after that.

22 Buffalo (from Dallas)  Losman, J.P. QB Broke his leg in preseason and only saw a few snaps late in the season. Should challenge Bledsoe for the QB job next season.

23 Seattle  Tubbs, Marcus DT Did not start until week 11 and was injured shortly thereafter and did not play the rest of the season.

24 St. Louis (from Denver through Cincinnati)  Jackson, Steven RB Showed a lot of promise in relief of Marshall Faulk and played through injuries. When Faulk is gone, Jackson will be a superstar for the Rams.

25 Green Bay  Carroll, Ahmad CB Started for the Packers after week 5 but contributed to an awful secondary that allowed the most passing TDs in the league with 33.

26 Cincinnati (from St. Louis)  Perry, Chris RB Played in only two games because of injuries, carrying twice for one yard, and was placed on IR because of a hernia before the last game of the season.

27 Houston (from Tennessee)  Babin, Jason DE Started all 16 games for the Texans and recorded 63 tackles and 4 sacks, good enough for a tie for 10th in the league amongst all linebackers.

28 Carolina (from Philadelphia through San Francisco)  Gamble, Chris CB The Panthers were smart to gamble on Chris, as he tied for third in the league amongst defensive backs with six interceptions. Carolina led the league with 26 INTs.

29 Atlanta (from Indianapolis)  Jenkins, Michael WR Jenkins never started for the Falcons all season, and until December saw barely any playing time.

30 Detroit (from Kansas City)  Jones, Kevin RB After a sluggish start to the season that was marred by a high ankle injury, Jones EXPLODED at the end of the season and was named the NFL's offensive rookie of the month for December. Jones rushed for 626 yards over the Lions' last five games to earn the award.

31 San Francisco (from Carolina)  Woods, Rashaun WR Playing on the worst team in the league, Woods never started and saw very little playing team until the last game of the year.

32 New England  Watson, Ben TE The rookie was injured and placed on the IR list after playing in only one game.
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Re: 2004 1st Round Draft Picks Year in Review

Postby warrick95 » Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:39 pm

The Lung wrote:My thoughts on the performance put in by all the first round picks of the 2004 draft. What are your thoughts?
Ooh...fun...I'd like to hear what CC has to say about this, too. ;-D

1 San Diego (Rights traded to N.Y. Giants)  Manning, Eli QB After Kurt Warner was benched, Manning struggled mightily. But the jury is still out and if the Giants ever get an offensive line and some decent wide receivers, Eli could soar.
Manning looked like a deer in headlights early on. Part of this can be attributed to that horrible offense line, but part of it was him, too. He also played some very tough defenses. His struggles were pretty typical of a rookie becoming acclimated to the offense and the "speed" of the NFL. He began coming into his own later in the season, even leading that comeback win drive on Sunday Night Football, so we can expect some good things from Eli soon. Maybe not Peytonlike, but he'll still probably become a great QB.

2 Oakland  Gallery, Robert OT Not the impact player or as dominant as was projected.
He was projected as one of the best offensive tackles in drafts for a while, so he certainly did not live up to that. However, he still played very well for a rookie and I only expect improvement down the road...perhaps to becoming an elite OT.

3 Arizona  Fitzgerald, Larry WR Given the Cardinals quarterback woes, Fitzgerald did about as well as could be expected. With a healthy Boldin back next year, look out!
I'm not as high as Fitz as others are. I know he gets TDs and is a TD machine, but his lack of breakaway speed is very disconcerting. He does have good body strength to make some catches in traffic and perhaps break some tackles. He is also a big target. I don't think he was worth that high a pick, but will still become a great possession receiver.

4 N.Y. Giants (Rights traded to San Diego)  Rivers, Philip QB Drew Brees was NFL Comeback Player of the Year and Rivers barely saw the field.
Being a huge FSU Noles fan, I am very high on Rivers He singlehandedly whooped our ass quite a few times...driving his crew up and down the field. He has all the intangibles you want from a QB. We'll see what SD wants to do, but I'd want Rivers as my starting QB.

5 Washington  Taylor, Sean FS Taylor became an immediate impact player to bolster Washington's defense to 3rd in the league, but his rookie campaign was marred by a DUI charge.
Taylor wasn't the exact reason WAS was the #3 defense in the league, but he was a part in it. Taylor intimidated with the Big Play factor, showed his ability to cover quite a lot...hit hard...elite safety.

6 Cleveland (from Detroit)  Winslow, Kellen TE The highly touted tight end broke his right fibula in the second game of the season and was put on injured reserve.
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy than this "soldja!" Talented receiver, but he definitely needs to work on his blocking.

7 Detroit (from Cleveland)  Williams, Roy WR Williams shone bright early in the season but struggled with an ankle injury for the remainder. With a healthy Charles Rogers next year, he could be deadly.
You're right...that duo is just insane. Williams is a physical specimen (size+speed)...he seemed to pull dissappearing acts during some Texas games, but looked really good during most of the season. Part of his struggles can be blamed at the inconsistency of Joey Harrington. I expect ROY to become one of the elite WRs in the league in a couple of years.

8 Atlanta  Hall, DeAngelo CB Missed the first six games of the season with a fractured hip but had 4 interceptions in Atlanta's remaining ten games.
ATL desperately needs him. They lack anybody with his kind of athleticism in the secondary. He'll need to step up this weekend for them to advance. Like all rookie cornerbacks, he can be burnt from time to time, but he's gaining experience and polishing himself up.

9 Jacksonville  Williams, Reggie WR Biggest non-injury bust of the 2004 draft? Williams caught only 27 passes and one touchdown for 268 yards all season.
Well, Jacksonville's offense wasn't exactly a juggernaut, but Williams' stats were dumbfounding. Troy Edwards was producing better. What's interesting was how Jacksonville split snaps between WRs a lot...Williams has great size and good speed physically, so it's a mystery why he had this bad a season. We'll see what happens next year.

10 Houston  Robinson, Dunta CB This rookie barely missed the Pro Bowl in his first season! His numbers were staggering: 87 tackles, 6 interceptions, 3 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 19 passes defended and 146 return yards.
Dun-ta-dun. He was my defensive rookie of the year. Brought a whole new dimension to the aging Texans defense, doing a little bit of everything. May become a shutdown corner soon. Showed incredible maturity for a rookie.

11 Pittsburgh  Roethlisberger, Ben QB Offensive rookie of the year. Could be leading his team to the Superbowl over the next two weeks.
Clearly he's overrated and partly a product of the system, but give him immense credit for what he's been able to do. His poise and calmness under pressure is just uncanny for a rookie to possess. He never tries to do too much. That game winning drive against Jacksonville showed me so much in what he could do if they wanted him to do it.

12 N.Y. Jets  Vilma, Jonathan ILB Defensive rookie of the year. 107 tackles, and tied for third in the league among linebackers with 3 interceptions.
Playmaker all over the field.

13 Buffalo  Evans, Lee WR Despite having woeful Drew Bledsoe at QB, came on strong late in the season to post 48 catches for 843 yards with nine touchdowns on the year!
Like you said, he made plays near the end of the season.

14 Chicago  Harris, Tommie DT As Chicago struggled late in the season, so did Harris. Put up 43 tackles and 3.5 sacks, but had no sacks after week 8.
[b]Was seen as the consensus #1 DT, but wasn't much of a pass rushing presence on a decent Chicago defense. Chicago has spent an awful lot on that defensive line, with other high draft picks like Michael Haynes. Interestingly enough, it was DE Alex Brown, a late round pick, who emerged this season.


15 Tampa Bay  Clayton, Michael WR Despite three different quarterbacks and a rotating cast of WRs opposite him, caught an outrageous 80 balls for 1193 yards and seven TDs!
Great WR this year that will have a bright future in this league. He showed so much in his ability to get open and make the big play, even with the inconsistency of Tampa Bay.

16 Philadelphia (from San Francisco)  Andrews, Shawn OT Broke his right leg in his first career start and was lost for the season.
Yep...

17 Denver (from Cincinnati)  Williams, D.J. OLB Was a menacing presence for the Broncos this year and was 13th in the league amongst linebackers with 114 total tackles.
DJ was incredible this year. He has great closing speed along with good size. He made a great amount of plays this season and proved to be a great pick by Denver.

18 New Orleans  Smith, Will DE No, not THAT Will Smith. One of the lone bright spots for the Saints this year, he caused 6 forced fumbles, tied for first in the league amongst defensive linemen.
6 FFs is 8-o. He looked great out there pass rushing (didn't even start) and was part of the Saints' defensive rise near the end of the season that nearly propelled them into the playoffs. His emergence will probably mean that Darren Howard will be signing his walking papers.

19 Miami (from Minnesota)  Carey, Vernon G Played in 14 games for the Dolphins this year, but the offensive line is still one of the worst in the league.
Dominating run blocker who's questionable pass blocking. It was a bit of a disappointment that he wasn't able to start more on that horrific offensive line.

20 Minnesota (from Miami)  Udeze, Kenechi DE Started in 14 of 16 games for the Vikings but had just five sacks.
Udeze is a bigger type DE that is very good at stopping the run. Some said that he'd be a great fit in the 3-4 of Houston. his large size, pass rushing may be compromised a bit. We'll see if he improves in that area later on.

21 New England (from Baltimore)  Wilfork, Vince DT Started in six of the first seven games for the Pats this season, but was used sparingly after that.
Quite a mystery. He has great size and good ability to get around considering that size. I was very high on him. Traylor's getting up there in age, so Vince will get another shot sooner or later. I would like to know why he was benched, though.

22 Buffalo (from Dallas)  Losman, J.P. QB Broke his leg in preseason and only saw a few snaps late in the season. Should challenge Bledsoe for the QB job next season.
Losman owns a great arm, but his accuracy is questionable. He's a fierce competitor who always wants to win, but comes off as being cocky a lot, too. He's a decent scrambler, as well. He needs some refinement before he can be a great QB.

23 Seattle  Tubbs, Marcus DT Did not start until week 11 and was injured shortly thereafter and did not play the rest of the season.
Big run-stuffer who's future we'll see later on.

24 St. Louis (from Denver through Cincinnati)  Jackson, Steven RB Showed a lot of promise in relief of Marshall Faulk and played through injuries. When Faulk is gone, Jackson will be a superstar for the Rams.
Jackson has superb strength, receiving ability, and motor to power through the line. Considering his size, his speed is very good, too. The torch will be passed very soon and I love Jackson's promise in the future.

25 Green Bay  Carroll, Ahmad CB Started for the Packers after week 5 but contributed to an awful secondary that allowed the most passing TDs in the league with 33.
Oh boy...he's a physical cornerback who didn't really do too well diagnosing plays. He was easy to trick with fake moves...and also easily flagged for his physical style of play. Really needs to take a step next year. Was good now and then, though.

26 Cincinnati (from St. Louis)  Perry, Chris RB Played in only two games because of injuries, carrying twice for one yard, and was placed on IR because of a hernia before the last game of the season.
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. So the Bengals have Chris Perry, Mr. Straightline Runner with no moves and nothing above average beyond receiving skills, but they will try to ink Rudi longterm, as well. Why the hell did you take Perry?! Despite what they say, he's not the #1 RB in the draft. Should've taken defense.

27 Houston (from Tennessee)  Babin, Jason DE Started all 16 games for the Texans and recorded 63 tackles and 4 sacks, good enough for a tie for 10th in the league amongst all linebackers.
Good pass rusher, though he'll have to do more than four sacks a year in that 3-4.

28 Carolina (from Philadelphia through San Francisco)  Gamble, Chris CB The Panthers were smart to gamble on Chris, as he tied for third in the league amongst defensive backs with six interceptions. Carolina led the league with 26 INTs.
Wasn't Carolina horrible in INTs in 2003? Anyway, Gamble's knock coming into the draft was that he was too raw and needed polish. That's probably why the idiotic Bengals passed on him (uhh...Perry made a HUGE contribution, didn't he?). Gamble got burnt every now and then, but his size/speed combination is rather lethal. Six picks showed that he may be ready for the NFL.

29 Atlanta (from Indianapolis)  Jenkins, Michael WR Jenkins never started for the Falcons all season, and until December saw barely any playing time.
I would've taken Woods. ATL receivers may never amount to much with Vick under center, who looks to run nearly as much as he looks to pass. Good size, though...and could be the true #1 receiver this team is missing.

30 Detroit (from Kansas City)  Jones, Kevin RB After a sluggish start to the season that was marred by a high ankle injury, Jones EXPLODED at the end of the season and was named the NFL's offensive rookie of the month for December. Jones rushed for 626 yards over the Lions' last five games to earn the award.
What an end of the season. Kevin Jones really came into his own and previewed what an offensive thrill this Lion team can become in the future. Jones slashed and sped his way to a huge month.

31 San Francisco (from Carolina)  Woods, Rashaun WR Playing on the worst team in the league, Woods never started and saw very little playing team until the last game of the year.
Yeah...he's been a bit slow to develop, but I think he has a shot at becoming the #3-#5 WR in this draft class, because of his tremendous athletic ability and size. At least SF's WRs look pretty good.

32 New England  Watson, Ben TE The rookie was injured and placed on the IR list after playing in only one game.
Yep...not that I really understood why they wanted another TE, anyway. Some secondary help would've come in handy this year, at least.
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Postby The Lung » Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:31 pm

Thanks for your reply, Warrick. Your knowledge of these players is quite extensive and you filled in with additional comments on a lot of players that I didn't have much to say about. It also seems like we agreed on the progress or lack thereof on nearly all the players.

I'd love to hear Canadian Cheesehead's thoughts.
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Postby Bennett4prez » Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:22 pm

Look for the Vikings to adapt the Cotrell's natural 3-4 style defense next season or the season following.
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Postby Nilmerf » Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:06 pm

Bennett4Prez wrote:Look for the Vikings to adapt the Cotrell's natural 3-4 style defense next season or the season following.

Why? Seems to me like the Vikings don't have much depth at all at linebacker.

Good draft post by the way.
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Postby MadScott » Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:53 pm

A couple of thoughts that I wanted to chime in on. I think the 2004 draft could be known as "the great WR grab of '04" before we are said and done. I think that Clayton and Williams really made their marks and were the standouts of this fine class this year. Evans ended up coming on very nicely at year end for the Bills and was a big reason that they did have so much success in the 2nd half of the year. I think other guys like Williams and Jenkins that were taken in the 1st round this year showed some flashes but were very inconsistent to say the least. I also think some WRs like Berrian for the Bears that were selected later on may be very solid picks in years to come.

I purposely left off Fitz and Woods to delve into them deeper.

With Fitz, I do agree that it was probably a little high to take a possession WR with the 3rd overall pick but he actually impressed me more than I thought he would this year. If you consider how unstable the entire offensive situation was this year in AZ, QB shuffling, WR and RB injury, I thought it was a decent season and that he certainly showed flashes that he could be a special player. I really liken his talents to a Chris Carter who did pretty well under Denny Green if I recall.

The entire book has yet to be written on Woods. When he reported to camp apparently he wasn't quite grasping the offense that quickly. It wasn't long after that when he became injured which further delayed his learing curve. Pair that with the team's overall injury and ineptness and not much is still known about Woods. He certainly didn't do much to impress on the few occasions that he was on the field this year. I really wouldn't be surprised to see the 49ers draft another WR this year, especially if they could trade down and still obtain a Mike Williams.

11 Pittsburgh Roethlisberger, Ben QB Offensive rookie of the year. Could be leading his team to the Superbowl over the next two weeks.
Clearly he's overrated and partly a product of the system, but give him immense credit for what he's been able to do. His poise and calmness under pressure is just uncanny for a rookie to possess. He never tries to do too much. That game winning drive against Jacksonville showed me so much in what he could do if they wanted him to do it.
Man, I think overrated is a bit of a harsh term to throw on this kid. He succeeded in this offense by doing what he was told to do. It may not be the glamorous #s that Peyton put up this year but he was successful. Just being able to handle the pressure, in particular during the games v. the Pats and Eagles, shows alot of maturity on his part. Just my .02 but I don't think the term overrated applies here.
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Re: 2004 1st Round Draft Picks Year in Review

Postby CC » Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:52 pm

My thoughts on the performance put in by all the first round picks of the 2004 draft. What are your thoughts?

1 San Diego (Rights traded to N.Y. Giants)  Manning, Eli QB After Kurt Warner was benched, Manning struggled mightily. But the jury is still out and if the Giants ever get an offensive line and some decent wide receivers, Eli could soar.

I thought that while Eli looked very shaky in most of his starts, he showed why he was taken as the top pick and billed as the next big thing near the end of the season. He came on strong and should be a competent QB next year. I think he will eventually be an elite QB in the NFL.

2 Oakland  Gallery, Robert OT Not the impact player or as dominant as was projected.

Gallery may not have had a spectacular rookie season, but he did play well at times and looks like he was the right pick for the Raiders at this point. He could be an All-Pro tackle in a few years.

3 Arizona  Fitzgerald, Larry WR Given the Cardinals quarterback woes, Fitzgerald did about as well as could be expected. With a healthy Boldin back next year, look out!

I am very high on Fitzgerald and he had a very good rookie season despite the troubles at QB. He looks like he is going to be an absolute stud to me, and I see many 100 catch, 1400 yard, 10 TD seasons in his future.

4 N.Y. Giants (Rights traded to San Diego)  Rivers, Philip QB Drew Brees was NFL Comeback Player of the Year and Rivers barely saw the field.

I have always said that Rivers would be the biggest bust out of this draft, and I was not able to catch a glimpse of how he will handle NFL play this season. If they keep him over Brees I think they are making a mistake.

5 Washington  Taylor, Sean FS Taylor became an immediate impact player to bolster Washington's defense to 3rd in the league, but his rookie campaign was marred by a DUI charge.

Should be a defensive and IDP god in the very near future, he was in my opinion, the best player in this entire draft, and he showed everyone why with a spectacular rookie season.

6 Cleveland (from Detroit)  Winslow, Kellen TE The highly touted tight end broke his right fibula in the second game of the season and was put on injured reserve.

I can't really comment as he didn't really play that much this year. I think he will be a nice asset for the Browns, but won't live up to the hype that was created for him.

7 Detroit (from Cleveland)  Williams, Roy WR Williams shone bright early in the season but struggled with an ankle injury for the remainder. With a healthy Charles Rogers next year, he could be deadly.

I am terrified of what this duo of Williams and Rogers will do to the Packers secondary in the next few year. Williams is supremely talented and I expect him and Fitz to be the best WRs from this draft.

8 Atlanta  Hall, DeAngelo CB Missed the first six games of the season with a fractured hip but had 4 interceptions in Atlanta's remaining ten games.

He showed flashes of the athleticism that he is famous for and I think he will be a solid cover corner and a nice playmaker in the secondary, but never the shutdown corner that he was rumored to be.

9 Jacksonville  Williams, Reggie WR Biggest non-injury bust of the 2004 draft? Williams caught only 27 passes and one touchdown for 268 yards all season.

He was pretty pathetic this year, being outplayed by Ernest Wilford at times. He will have to play better in future years if he is to be the target for Leftwich he was supposed to be. I was high on him and am not ready to dismiss him just yet.

10 Houston  Robinson, Dunta CB This rookie barely missed the Pro Bowl in his first season! His numbers were staggering: 87 tackles, 6 interceptions, 3 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 19 passes defended and 146 return yards.

Had a fantastic rookie season and I think the Texans got a steal in him here, he looks like he has the makings of a franchise corner.

11 Pittsburgh  Roethlisberger, Ben QB Offensive rookie of the year. Could be leading his team to the Superbowl over the next two weeks.

I always said he would be the best QB from this draft and I thought he was the steal of the draft at this point. Eli might put up better numbers in the future but Big Ben is and will continue to be a winner.

12 N.Y. Jets  Vilma, Jonathan ILB Defensive rookie of the year. 107 tackles, and tied for third in the league among linebackers with 3 interceptions.

I was very high on Vilma coming into the draft and he looks like the perfect fit for the Jets. He is a future stud, get him in any IDP draft you can next year.

13 Buffalo  Evans, Lee WR Despite having woeful Drew Bledsoe at QB, came on strong late in the season to post 48 catches for 843 yards with nine touchdowns on the year!

Lee Evans had a very good rookie season and was a great big play threat for Bledsoe, I watched a lot of him this year and was impressed. I thought this was too high for him at the time and I am still concerned about his ability to be a #1 WR at his size.

14 Chicago  Harris, Tommie DT As Chicago struggled late in the season, so did Harris. Put up 43 tackles and 3.5 sacks, but had no sacks after week 8.

Had a pretty disappointing rookie season, hopefully he can turn it around next year. The jury is still out on this pick.

15 Tampa Bay  Clayton, Michael WR Despite three different quarterbacks and a rotating cast of WRs opposite him, caught an outrageous 80 balls for 1193 yards and seven TDs!

Magnificent rookie season for Clayton, a guy who I thought would be a total bust (luckily I got him in my dynasty money league though). He totally proved me wrong and has the looks of a very productive WR in this league for a long time.

16 Philadelphia (from San Francisco)  Andrews, Shawn OT Broke his right leg in his first career start and was lost for the season.

I wasn't too sure about this pick, I thought they should have taken DJ Williams, plus the Eagles line was good this year. We will see whether this was the right pick in a few years.

17 Denver (from Cincinnati)  Williams, D.J. OLB Was a menacing presence for the Broncos this year and was 13th in the league amongst linebackers with 114 total tackles.

Nice pick for the Broncos and he should be a good LB for a long time in this league. They won't be able to stop the run unless they get some DTs though.

18 New Orleans  Smith, Will DE No, not THAT Will Smith. One of the lone bright spots for the Saints this year, he caused 6 forced fumbles, tied for first in the league amongst defensive linemen.

I thought this was a very poor pick for the Saints here as they already have a couple of DE studs on their team and I was convinced they would take Gamble. Then again, if Darren Howard is not retained, it could be a nice pick as DEs will be more important with the chuck rule being enforced.

19 Miami (from Minnesota)  Carey, Vernon G Played in 14 games for the Dolphins this year, but the offensive line is still one of the worst in the league.

He was the right guy for them at the time, but that offensice line still needs hella overhauling.

20 Minnesota (from Miami)  Udeze, Kenechi DE Started in 14 of 16 games for the Vikings but had just five sacks.

He was pretty good for the Vikes this year, and I think he will be a solid 10 sack guy in the future for them.

21 New England (from Baltimore)  Wilfork, Vince DT Started in six of the first seven games for the Pats this season, but was used sparingly after that.

I like Wilfork for the future as he can fill up the middle in a 3-4, plus he was a good value here and I never question Belicheck's picks.

22 Buffalo (from Dallas)  Losman, J.P. QB Broke his leg in preseason and only saw a few snaps late in the season. Should challenge Bledsoe for the QB job next season.

I'm not too sure about Losman, I think he will be a bust. We probably get our first view of him around Week 10 next year in Buffalo.

23 Seattle  Tubbs, Marcus DT Did not start until week 11 and was injured shortly thereafter and did not play the rest of the season.

Tubbs was a fair pick here, and it is yet to be seen how well he will play for the Seahawks.

24 St. Louis (from Denver through Cincinnati)  Jackson, Steven RB Showed a lot of promise in relief of Marshall Faulk and played through injuries. When Faulk is gone, Jackson will be a superstar for the Rams.

I questioned this pick with the Rams defensive needs (especially with Gamble on the board) but they guessed right on when Faulk would really fall off, and Jackson looks like a very shrewd pick at this point.


25 Green Bay  Carroll, Ahmad CB Started for the Packers after week 5 but contributed to an awful secondary that allowed the most passing TDs in the league with 33.

BUST. I was screaming at the TV when they passed on Gamble and Carroll did not have a good season. I will give him another year and a half to turn it around before I start calling for his head.

26 Cincinnati (from St. Louis)  Perry, Chris RB Played in only two games because of injuries, carrying twice for one yard, and was placed on IR because of a hernia before the last game of the season.

Horrible pick at the time, and he continues to be a horrible pick. And I'm a die-hard Michigan fan.

27 Houston (from Tennessee)  Babin, Jason DE Started all 16 games for the Texans and recorded 63 tackles and 4 sacks, good enough for a tie for 10th in the league amongst all linebackers.

Looked pretty good this year, nice pick for the 3-4. He should be a productive player for the Texans in the coming years.

28 Carolina (from Philadelphia through San Francisco)  Gamble, Chris CB The Panthers were smart to gamble on Chris, as he tied for third in the league amongst defensive backs with six interceptions. Carolina led the league with 26 INTs.

I thought that Gamble would be the best CB from this draft and while it looks like Dunta will take that title, Gamble was a great pick at this point in the draft. IMO, the steal of the draft after one year.

29 Atlanta (from Indianapolis)  Jenkins, Michael WR Jenkins never started for the Falcons all season, and until December saw barely any playing time.

I think he can be a nice possession WR for Vick in the future and they didn't give up much to get him. Good move by the Falcons.

30 Detroit (from Kansas City)  Jones, Kevin RB After a sluggish start to the season that was marred by a high ankle injury, Jones EXPLODED at the end of the season and was named the NFL's offensive rookie of the month for December. Jones rushed for 626 yards over the Lions' last five games to earn the award.

Great pick for the Lions, he is a great value at this point and looks like a future Pro-Bowler. The Lions were the unquestionable winners of this draft.

31 San Francisco (from Carolina)  Woods, Rashaun WR Playing on the worst team in the league, Woods never started and saw very little playing team until the last game of the year.

I never liked him and he didn't do much this year. Don't expect much in the future either.

32 New England  Watson, Ben TE The rookie was injured and placed on the IR list after playing in only one game.[/quote]

He barely got to play, and I liked Troupe better, but I never question a Belicheck pick.

Hope everyone enjoyed that extended analysis and a good job by the Lung. Keep your eyes peeled for a mock draft in the next few weeks.
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Re: 2004 1st Round Draft Picks Year in Review

Postby The Lung » Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:27 pm

Canadian_Cheesehead wrote: Keep your eyes peeled for a mock draft in the next few weeks.


Woo-hoo! Please be sure to send me an invite in case I miss the mock draft announcement, thanks!

Thanks for your extended analysis, CC.
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Re: 2004 1st Round Draft Picks Year in Review

Postby CC » Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:58 am

The Lung wrote:
Canadian_Cheesehead wrote: Keep your eyes peeled for a mock draft in the next few weeks.


Woo-hoo! Please be sure to send me an invite in case I miss the mock draft announcement, thanks!

Thanks for your extended analysis, CC.


The pleasure was all mine, its a shame this thread hasn't got the replies it deserves.
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Postby moochman » Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:23 am

Wow, great read as usual, Lung. What impresses me is how many solid picks were made in the top portion of the draft. Weakest pick was Rivers, and who knows how well he will do.

But the top 20 picks all look like they will be littering All-Pro rosters throughout thier careers. Has there been a more talented bunch?
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