Daddymike59 wrote: We are close to getting into a political debate here over the right to express yourself.
The "freedom of speech" argument has no place at all here. The Bill of Rights guarantees that the government will not abridge your freedom of speech. The government has not and will not abridge Randy Moss' freedom of speech. His employer on the other hand has no responsiblity to provide Moss a forum to express his views. Moss also has a responsibility to represent the NFL well while acting as an employee and if he does not, will bear the consequences.
This came up a lot with the Dixie Chicks making the anti-Bush comments, then a lot of radio stations refused to play them for a while. The Dixie Chicks can say whatever they want, but have to accept the consequences of their words, and the radio stations have no responsibility to provide them a forum.
eaglesrule wrote:i tell you what, if they are going to be hihg-horse about it, packers should have been fined for the behavior of their fans, and the nfl should make it clear that for the next contract and idealogue like buck can't act like that.
I don;t really care, and I don't like moss very much. I was annoyed when I heard about it. But then, the truth comes out about GB fans. Why not comment on air? Certianly some there had to know this, it wasn't some big secret apparently.
So Moss takes the fall for doing something that upon further review is no different than anyone else.
No different than anyone else? Most fans do not moon the opposing team and most players do not pretend to moon the crowd. As far as the mooning not being a big secret, I've been a Packer fan for about 25 years, and this is the first I've heard of it. I've had a couple of friends who worked at Lambeau, and they never mentioned it. Maybe ESPN and Joe Buck (who I have no great love for) knew about it, maybe not.
deluxe_247 wrote:i hate to think about how bad it might get in the future if something isnt done now. i can just imagine whole teams correographing celebrations. i mean, im not so much against some of them, but there has to be a limit, and if one cant be set, then they need to be stricter enforcing players not doing them at all.
Actually the whole team doing choreographed celebrations started to some extent with the Redskins back in the 80's (I think). One guy would score a touchdown, then a bunch of players would gather (some coming from the sidelines) and do a little skit or dance they worked out during the week. Finally the league decided to ban excessive celebration. These same debates went on then too, with one side saying it was entertaining and the other saying it was egotistical, unsportsmanlike and annoying.
I have no problem with spontaneous celebrations that reflect a player's excitement (heck maybe it was spontaneous on Moss' part), but pre-planned acts just seem dumb to me. It's too much like Sally Field saying "you like me, you really like me" at the Academy Awards - you feel like telling them to get a grip and get over themselves.