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Postby hayesb26 » Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:25 pm

Nilmerf wrote:I don't understand why they don't just play out most of his remaining contract. Paying $9 million for him to play on a different team is ridiculous.


From what I've heard, I believe that the team he is traded to has to pay the $9 million, and that it just counts against the Vikes cap for this season. Could be wrong though, it's happened before.
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Postby Goatwhacker » Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:33 pm

ljthockey wrote:Yeah ill be shocked if Randy actually is traded he is the Vikings


I think there's a lot more to the Vikings than Moss, but would have to agree he is probably staying put.
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Postby Azrael » Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:18 pm

I've been hearing reports on ESPN radio that their reporters like Mort believe there is a better than 50% chance that Moss will not be back next year. I thought I heard the Ravens were interested as well.
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Postby portisfan24 » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:15 am

I just cant imagine Moss anywhere else. Maybe a coach like Billick can really straighten him out though. His stock would still drop though, as Daunte is one of the best qbs in the league.
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Postby Azrael » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:25 am

I think Daunte's stock may drop more than Moss's (depending on where Moss goes) Baltimore seems like a hole for WRs right now with Boller still trying to figure out if he knows what he's doing.
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Postby maddog60 » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:43 am

You know, I still think the Ravens are a better team to trade to, but this trade could work. The Vikings have a horrible defense. They need linebackers that can tackle and a secondary that can cover. Well, they've got both Brian Williams and Brian Russell going into free agency this year. You have to think as well that guys like Wiggins are higher priorities to resign, so I would expect only 1 if any of those 2 to return.

Now, but getting Buchanan, they get a solid CB and a return man, who lines up with Winfield. No Champ Baileys either of them, but they should be able to handle most WRs. Now, that #7 pick could likely garner them Derrick Johnson top LB prospect. This gives them a man who knows how to tackle as well. That fills two defensive needs pretty well. I just think they'll ask for at least a 2nd rounder this or next year in addition, some more picks would have to be involved or its a steal for Oakland.
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Postby Canacuna » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:21 am

I don't think that Randy Moss' stock would drop much, if any, if he were traded anywhere else (hasn't there been rumors of Moss being traded for the last year or two now?). Whatever team he goes to, the gameplan will be "throw it near Moss". He made Gus Frerotte look like a stud, why can't he do the same with Kyle Boller?

I just don't see him being traded. We'll probably all see dozens of rumors of potential Moss trades this off-season... and if Red McCombs is trying to sell the team, why would he get rid of his most marketable (and best) player?
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Postby goleafsgo96 » Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:11 am

I actually like this trade for both teams. Its pretty obvious it wokrs out for the raidres, and the vikings would end up with one of the best cornerback duos in the nfl, a shot at a future stud (Derrick Johnson, anyone?) and i bet their offense could function solidly, not as well but potently, without Moss.
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Postby steelyeri » Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:15 am

Nilmerf wrote:I don't understand why they don't just play out most of his remaining contract. Paying $9 million for him to play on a different team is ridiculous.


Moss would count $9 mil against the cap for the vikes this year but that money is part of moss' signing bonus (and other bounuses) and has already been payed. Bonuses are usually payed right after the contract is signed but can be pro-rated cap wise for the length of the contract. but if the player is cut or traded or retires, the remainder of the bonus is accelerated to the next year's salary cap. Moss signed an eight year deal with a $18 mil. in bonuses I beleive so the cap hit of the bonus every year of the contract would be about 2.25 Mil. per year. Moss has 4 more years left on his contract so instead of the bonuses being pro-rated over the four remainding years of moss' contract they are accelerated to the vikes' 2005 Salary cap which ads up to $9 mil. But that money has already been payed to moss. confusing, I know but I tried my best.

The biggest reason I think moss will be traded is because of the money that is still left to pay on his contract...

Signing bonus: $10 million ($7 million upon signing, $3 million due March 2002)


2001 salary: $500,000
2002 salary: $500,000
Option bonus, March 2003: $8 million
2003 salary: $5 million
2004 salary: $5.75 million
2005 salary: $7.25 million
2006 salary: $8.25 million
2007 salary: $8.75 million
2008 salary: $11.25 million


And that doesn't include the bonuses he gets every year when he gets selected for the pro-bowl. We all know red hates dishin' out the bucks and that I beleive is the biggest motivation for trading moss.
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Postby steelyeri » Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:16 am

By the way this rumor was also mentioned by Boomer on his sunday night football show and By the PTI guys yesterday, don't know if you guys caught that.

and I don't know if this article has been posted yet but I found it on a vikes forum today...

Here ya go:

Cris Carter knows the significance of a fresh start. After being released by the Philadelphia Eagles before the 1990 season because of his drug problem, he revived his career — and remodeled his reputation — in Minnesota.

The future hall of fame receiver believes it's time for Randy Moss to do the same.

"At this time, in the best interests of both parties, it might be in Randy's best interests to be somewhere else next season," said Carter, a mentor to Moss during Carter's last seasons in Minnesota. "I wouldn't be surprised if he has played his last game in Minnesota."

Publicly, the Vikings say trading Moss is not viable. Privately, they are curious. Realistically, NFL economics could make this the year the Vikings deal Moss, who has been an unhappy, albeit talented, distraction as the team has spun its competitive wheels the past two seasons.

Moss did not speak to reporters after the 27-14 NFC divisional playoff loss to the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday, but he expressed frustration to longtime friend Sam Singleton, who lives in his hometown of Rand, W.Va.

"He's not happy there, and I think he wants to go somewhere else," said Singleton, who has known Moss for more than 20 years and was his youth baseball and football coach. "He knows he's not going to win anything there."

Singleton said Moss has spoken about a trade before, adding, "This time, he's serious about it."

Coach Mike Tice said it's too early to speculate about a deal.

"That's not even something we would even think about four days after the season," he said.

But dealing Moss could benefit all involved. The Vikings could receive immediate help on defense and draft picks, the other team would receive arguably the NFL's best receiver for a relative bargain price, and Moss could go somewhere that makes him happy, at least for the time being.

And, as Tice said, "Everybody has got a price."

"If we can upgrade an area of weakness and look at certain players, you'd like to think about it," Tice added. "But you certainly don't want to lose one of your top players. It's like losing a key coach. You take a step backward."

Last year, a handful of teams inquired about Moss' availability, including the Miami Dolphins, who reportedly were offering defensive end Adewale Ogunleye, cornerback Sam Madison, receiver Chris Chambers and draft picks. A deal never was close to being consummated.

An NFC personnel executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said it's crazy to think about trading Moss.

"They can't trade a guy who makes their whole offense run, no matter how much of a jerk he is," he said. "I like (Daunte) Culpepper, but I think Moss is that offense. He opens up everything. There are so few of those guys, you have to try to make it work."

NFL trades are rare, but there have been three significant deals within the past year, and Moss would merit serious consideration, said Ken Herock, who spent 38 years in the NFL as a player, coach, scout, personnel director and vice president.

"As a player, he has no peer," said Herock, who last served as vice president of player personnel for the Green Bay Packers before he retired less than four years ago. "In the right situation, he's a Jerry Rice-type of performer. But then you factor in other things and there are questions, and you have to think about it, and the questions are obvious."

Can Moss be a team player? Can he stay out of trouble? And if he can't stay out of trouble, can he make it worth your while?

Herock said Moss might not have had all of his issues in a different environment.

What would he give up? Herock said a first-round pick and a conditional pick that could be a first-rounder.

"That second pick would be predicated on his production and his play," Herock said.

Herock said he also would consider trading a defensive starter and a first-round pick for Moss.

The Baltimore Ravens, who pursued Terrell Owens last offseason, would be an ideal fit, Herock said. Moss liked coach Brian Billick when Billick was the Vikings' offensive coordinator, and he could benefit from the strong leadership in place there. Herock also said the New York Jets — whose quarterback is Moss' former college teammate Chad Pennington — and even the San Diego Chargers might be good destinations.

But Herock said only a veteran team on the verge of a championship could make it work.

"You can't trade him to a bad team," he said. "That wouldn't help. There are too many holes."

Carter said he has spoken to officials from many teams, and there is definitely a leaguewide interest in Moss. If there is a suitor, the economics involved could grease the wheels for a deal.

If the Vikings had traded Moss last year, they would have had to absorb an additional $2.8 million in an accelerated salary-cap hit, for a total of nearly $11 million. Now, a deal would save the Vikings nearly $2 million in salary-cap space. They also would wipe Moss' $7.25 million salary off the books.

For a suitor, Moss' contract is appealing. The Vikings already have paid the $18 million in guaranteed bonuses as part of his original eight-year, $75 million contract. Over the four remaining seasons, Moss is owed $36.5 million in salary, which would give a new employer a couple of reasonable options:

• The new team could accept his $7.5 million base salary for 2005 and reassess him the following offseason, when it would have the option of releasing him with no salary-cap penalty.

• If they need cap space, they could lower his cap number by converting his $7.5 million base salary into a signing bonus and paying him the veteran's minimum of $665,000. His cap number then would be nearly $2.4 million, a $5 million savings.

"If I needed a receiver, and I knew he was available, I would make an effort to get him," Herock said.

Monday, Vikings owner Red McCombs said he did not envision Moss going anywhere.

"I don't see how we would want to give up a player like that," he said.

Perhaps after investigating, he could.
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