DisgruntledJetsFan wrote:Now to the TO vs Torry Holt debate.........
Again, if I were drafting a team right now, I would choose Holt over TO. Holt is younger and on the rise, I think TO is on the decline (I know I will get criticized for this comment b/c he had a great season).
I'm not even going to touch the TO on a decline or the fact that Westbrook played in all but one of the games TO did (you could look up some of these stats before you actually post them).
Now I understand with a list like this everyone is going to disagree on something. It's inevitable, but if you don't stick to a consistent system your list is absolutely meaningless, or your post on Holt vs. TO is more proof your system for deciding who the best is, isn't consistent.
You claim you'd take Holt if you were starting a team now over TO. Ok, that's reasonable, and that's your reason for ranking him above TO. But how do you then justify Priest Holmes above LT (ranking the guy lower b/c his nickname is the same as another great player is just childish)? You can't possibly tell me any owner starting a team would take the 31 going on 32 Priest coming off of injury over Tomlinson?
Pick a rule and stick to it. If you flip-flop like this your list losing all meaning, and is influenced severely by subjectivity, making it a lot more biased.
SwiperNoSwiping wrote:Fot kickers, I would put the Idiot Kicker ahead of Akers. He is the most accurate of all time. He should at least be 2nd behind the most clutch kicker I know of.
But Vandy can't kick kickoffs for his life, and that's half his job. Akers is one of the best at that, and arguably as if not nearly as accurate. All round, Akers toasts Vandy with or without his tackling stats.
DisgruntledJetsFan wrote:Hines Ward is a great Wide Receiver. I am going to say that right now. HOWEVER... Is he better than Joe Horn? No, he isn't, and I think most would agree with me, at least everyone who isnt a steelers fan. Sure Hines can block, but we will never know his true potential in the system he is currently in. If he had a manning or mcnabb throwing to him, he might be in the top five, but for now I dont think he should make it.
So what are you saying here,the players that had the better season or the best players.
What makes Hines great is that he still gets his in a system that doesn't pass alot,Horn gets numbers because he is in a pss-oriented system with Brooks.
Last 3 years...
Its hard to discern what you are ranking.... who will be the best next year. The best players that are still currently playing? The best players over the last 5 years with the most recent years counting for more(this is what it seems like). Torry Holt vs. Terrell Owens. Both quarterbacks are comparable (bulger vs. Donovan) but TO is better, as much as I like Holt. I also think CJ or Horn should be top 5 with Hines as the honorable mention. Steve McNair doesn't belong. If anyone does its Bulger..... he's far better than Delhomme.
Once again, I will go through my reasoning on the more controversial picks.....
Priest vs Ladanian
I am not as impressed by tomlinson as every one else. I watched him maybe four times this year, and he consistently seemed to have 75 yards rushing, 60 yds receiving, and 1 td. He did not break 100 yards against the jets either time they played, with curtis martin outplaying him both times. Although he was injured for half of the year, priest holmes showed how good he is in the first half of the year. He seems to get better with age. I think that if he stays healthy next year he will have more rushing yards and more TDs than tomlinson.
TO vs Holt
I think Holt is a better player than Terrell Owens. Thats it. They are both great and I can see why some would choose TO, but I think Holt is better.
Complete player, this is true, but he only managed 1004 yards and 4 TDs this year. Well maybe I am considering the stats too much. But does anyone believe that Hines Ward and the steelers passing game was the reason for their success this year? I doubt it. Their defense was incredible all year, with guys like James Farrior stepping up during injuries. On offense, they were able to put teams away with the running game. Hines Ward should not be in the pro bowl, and I do not think he is a top 5 receiver.
I honestly think Steve McNair is still one of the best QBs in football when he stays healthy. If anyone remembers, he was co-mvp a year ago!
DisgruntledJetsFan wrote:Once again, I will go through my reasoning on the more controversial picks.....
Once again, you're lacking consistency. I don't think most people here are trying to argue your picks so much as they're trying to find out what the scheme, what you're grading these guys on.
You can't have rankings where you rank one player based on what he did last year (McNair), one player based on how you think he'd perform if he didn't get injured (Holmes), and another over a statistically better player because of his youth (Holt). If you don't have a groundwork of laid out and explicit rules for how you rank these guys your rankings are meaningless.
Initially when you started the thread, you said you wanted this to be the best guys playing ball currently. Well, McNair may have had a great year last year, but even when no injured he wasn't the best QB on his team even this year. Brady, Pennington, Big Ben, Manning, Brees; there's 5 in the AFC alone that played better than him. Also, you have a list of the top RBs playing right now and don't have Tiki Barber anyway on there. He led running backs in total yards, and no one can question he was the only reason they had any offense this year.
Like the guy just a few posts before said "What are you ranking?" Figure that out, look at your rankings again, and make any necessary changes, but rank by some sort of criteria or you might as well just title it "My Favorite 5 Players at Every Position," because without any guidelines its too vague and open to subjectivity to be a top 5 ranking.
DisgruntledJetsFan wrote:First to Ladanian Tomlinson.....
I think he is overrated just because everyone talks about him like he is god. Also, I dont like the fact that everyone calls him LT because there was only one LT, the greatest defensive player in the history of the NFL. Tomlinson averaged under 4 yards a carry, yet he still gets the nod for the pro bowl over corey dillon? I am in NO way a pats fan, but dillon definitely had a better season even though tomlinson had more TDs. He can catch the ball, but I don't consider that a statistic that has to do with the RB, kind of why I dont consider Michael Vick a true QB.
Now to the TO vs Torry Holt debate.........
Again, if I were drafting a team right now, I would choose Holt over TO. Holt is younger and on the rise, I think TO is on the decline (I know I will get criticized for this comment b/c he had a great season). The Eagles this year were minus westbrook in about half the games that TO played, and without buckhalter all year. So they passed the ball quite a bit. Also, the eagles dont have any other good receivers, so TO gets thrown to constantly. Torry holt is faster and has marc bulger, not dmac, throwing the ball to him. He also has to compete with bruce for looks. And if you look at the last 2 or 3 years, you will see that Torry is on pace for a record setting career in yardage and catches.
For Peyton vs Brady...........
I don't care what anyone says, Peyton Manning is the best QB in the NFL. Is anyone going to pick Marino over Bradshaw (besides Steeler fans)? I doubt it. Manning had bad games the last 3 years in the playoffs against the jets in 03, pats in 04 and 05. However, he dominated every secondary he faced in the regular season and will eventually get over the hump and win the superbowl.
LT: You don't like people calling him LT? Now your reasons are becoming petty.
Hotl vs. Owens: If you're now saying you want Holt because he's younger for the team you're going to draft, then it's even more ridiculous that C-Mart is #3...he's old. Same with Muhammad. Your reasons for one pick contradict your other picks.