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Postby therealdude » Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:26 pm

The reason im saying seymore will be is because, argueablly he is the best defensive player on this team, the one the best defensive lineman and one of the best defensive players in the league. the guy simply changes how teams have to think about the pats defense. In Belichicks system he doesn't get the same numbers as he would on another team (this is true of many guys on the pats) but he just dominates... He has 3 probowls and 2 allpro appreances in 4 years. that is more than any other patriot durning this run. unless he gets hurt or really falls off he will go to Canton.

Im really not sure about law, because he needs a couple more good years to get himself in.

Dillion Will end his career with at least 13,000-14000 yards and will go in.

Harrison doesn't get the credit he deserves because he is seen as a cheap shot artist.

just my 2 cents.
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Postby disgruntledjetsfan » Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:36 pm

First of all, its Seymour.

Secondly, he is not the best defensive linemen in the league (I think thats what you were trying to say) let alone the division. Jason Taylor and John Abraham are both better. He is a great player, but the only guy who you can honestly say will be in the HOF after such a short stint in the league is Tom Brady.
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Postby therealdude » Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:49 pm

DisgruntledJetsFan wrote:First of all, its Seymour.

Secondly, he is not the best defensive linemen in the league (I think thats what you were trying to say) let alone the division. Jason Taylor and John Abraham are both better. He is a great player, but the only guy who you can honestly say will be in the HOF after such a short stint in the league is Tom Brady.


I did not say that, but i will tell you who did call him the best defensive lineman in the league, Scouts Inc. giving him a 97/100, then ranking him the 3rd best player in the league (behind Ray Lewis and Payton Manning). Abraham is a good player, but he couldn't carry Seymore's Jock. Seymore gets double teamed every play and often has te and rb chipping him and he still moves the pocket. Abraham is no where near as good in all facets of the game.
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Postby Guttpuppy » Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:06 pm

I agree with Seymour being better than Abe so far due to being on the field more but there's no way in hell he's 3rd best overall player in the league.

Ray Lewis may not even be top 10 now so that list is way off from the git.
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Postby ravage » Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:51 pm

DisgruntledJetsFan wrote:Tom Brady: Shoe-in.
I'm sorry to have picked your quote DJF when so many others said the same thing. Your's just looked the clearest.

Come on guys, Brady? If he lasts another 5-6 years with the same kind of numbers, maybe. But he's far from a shoe-in. Two Super Bowl MVPs looks great on a HOF resume but without the rest to go with it he won't stand a chance. He's at about 14,000 yards but that won't get him far when compared to contemporary peers. Bob Waterfield only 97 TDs in his career and made the hall but then he played in the not so pass-happy 40's and early 50's. Brady's numbers do nothing to impress. Not yet anyway.

A shoe-in? Not yet. If he keeps on this track he has a good shot. Even then he'll have to compete with lots of gaudy offensive numbers from this era.
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Postby therealdude » Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:13 am

Guttpuppy wrote:I agree with Seymour being better than Abe so far due to being on the field more but there's no way in hell he's 3rd best overall player in the league.

Ray Lewis may not even be top 10 now so that list is way off from the git.


Scouts Inc did these ratings at the begining of the year of the season. Seymore did not decline from his preseason during this year. I wouldn't rate him top the 3 either but he is a great player. He was tied for the third spot with Tomlinson, Ogden, & Moss.



On another note, I was not talking about any of these guys being HOFers right now, but if they project to going to Canton if their careers continue on their current paths.
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Postby Dr. Duran Duran » Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:19 am

Willie McGinest anyone? I mean, if we're going to mention Tedi Bruschi, it's only fair we mention Willie McGinest in the same breath.
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Postby maddog60 » Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:23 am

therealdude wrote:I did not say that, but i will tell you who did call him the best defensive lineman in the league, Scouts Inc. giving him a 97/100, then ranking him the 3rd best player in the league (behind Ray Lewis and Payton Manning). Abraham is a good player, but he couldn't carry Seymore's Jock. Seymore gets double teamed every play and often has te and rb chipping him and he still moves the pocket. Abraham is no where near as good in all facets of the game.


Well, they're flat out wrong. There are a ton of players I can think of that are equally as good as Seymour (just on defensive) if not better, who don't have HoF locks yet.

Ed Reed, Brian Dawkins, Simeon Rice, Julius Peppers, Donnie Edwards, James Farrior, Chris McAlister, Ray Lewis, Dwight Freeney, the list goes on.

You think Seymour is the only DE that gets chipped. Freeney, Peppers, Kearse, pretty much the top DE on every team gets chipped by a TE or has the RB helping out blocking them.

What is with people and this loose nature of which you'll say a guy is Hall of Fame bound. Pro Bowl doesn't mean Hall of Fame. The HoF is rather exclusive, and not even every great player, let alone every good player gets in.

Seymour is simply too young to tell even if he were the 3rd best player in the NFL overall.
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Postby Dr. Duran Duran » Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:12 am

To be totally honest, it's too early to say any of these guys are locks for the Hall of Fame...even Brady. Now, yes, if things continue like this for the Patriots for the next few years, absolutely. But, it's a bit early to start making a Tom Brady bust in Canton. Remember how incredible Kurt Warner was for three seasons? Most of us thought the Rams were unstoppable and there was no end in sight to their dominance. Today Warner isn't half the quarterback he used to be. Albeit, he's a lot older than Brady, but Brady still needs to get a few more years under his belt before we start saying he's a lock for the Hall of Fame, not that I don't think he'll make it, but it's a bit early.
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Postby no1cowboysfan » Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:40 am

Hear hear, triple D.

I also think Tom Brady isn't a valid Canton bid yet... even if he does win this SB. (not that he won't make it in, he just hasn't proved, to me at least, that he's a Hall of Famer) When some of his defensive help leaves/retires (Poole, Law, McGinest, Johnson, Harrison, Traylor, Bruschi, Brown and Izzo are all 30+), and more pressure is placed on the offense to win, we'll see how he does.
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