joshyboy72 wrote:But I don't understand how he's the most overrated player in the NFL, maddog.
He made the Pro Bowl despite the fact that 10 other NFC teams had starting QBs with better QB ratings. Kurt Warner had a better QB rating, as did Vick's cousin, Brooks. The QB rating may not be entirely accurate, but its much more comprehensive and accurate gauge of how a QB played than calling a guy "magical" the ESPN crew did when justifying Vick's selection to the Pro Bowl.
Who the hell can chuck the ball 80 yards with a flick of the wrist,
I have two problems with the arm strength argument:
1) Does anyone actually know for sure how strong his arm is in comparison to other QBs in the NFL? I always hear Vick supports claiming how amazing his arm strength is, but I never see any cold hart facts proving just how strong it is. If you can link to a study that shows this, that would be great, otherwise your point is an assumption.
2) It doesn't matter how hard he can throw the ball, if it doesn't arrive on target. Let him chuck it at 100 mph, but it hits the defender square in the chest, not his receiver, its a bad throw. For example, I recall watching the second Carolina/Atlanta game this year and after Vick threw a pass that went right to a defender who dropped the ball, the announcers were complimenting Vick on throwing a ball so hard that no one could've caught it. If no one could've caught it, it either was a bad pass because its going to be incomplete, or should have been throw to the sidelines, not over the middle. Accuracy trumps arm strength every time, and Vick lacks the accuracy.
make any defense shiver no matter how long of a 3rd or 4th down it is,
Yes, he certainly made Arizona's defense shiver. Again, you're exaggerating. He has an added ability for picking up 3rd and shorts on his own, but his lack of passing skill allows defenses to stack more men in the box, play man coverage practically all day and not worry, thus allowing them to compensate for Atlanta's running attack even more.
and make plays with his feet no matter how long he has to make it.
He's a QB, he needs to make plays with his arm. If he can't develop into an NFL level passer, make him a RB and get a real QB.
Also, for someone that makes plays with his feet, he lacks a fundamental part of football. I'm not talking about learning a new system, I'm talking about a fundamental basic technique of playing football that all skill players should know by instinct coming out of highschool, but after 4 years in the NFL Vick still doesn't have this technique down pat. It's called, ball protection.
Look at how he holds the ball when he's scrambling. In one hand, away from his body, about waist high. So, he's not threatening to pass from that position like most scrambling QBs do. People rushing at him can automatically play the run instead of being afraid he'll pass. It also makes it easier for pass rushers to cause a fumble. Vick's 16 fumbles this season weren't all due to great defensive play, they were helped, by his carelessness with the ball.
Maybe as a starting quarterback he's overrated
Perhaps you misunderstood me. As a QB, he is overrated. I'm not saying he's not a great athlete, which he certainly is, but being a great athlete does not automatically translate into being a great NFL player. And Vick is not a top 3 QB, he is a below average starter, and going to be a 5th year veteran who still hasn't lived up to expectations or played better than mediocre, yet gets accolades from the entire sports media, and that makes him overrated.