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Postby Plindsey88 » Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:39 am

I've got em:

1) Manning
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2) McNabb
3) Culpepper
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4) Bulger
5) Vick
6) Green
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7) Brady
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8) Brees
9) Delhomme
10) Favre
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11) Hasselbeck
12) Collins
13) Plummer
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14) Palmer
15) Brooks
16) Pennington
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17) Carr
18) Leftwich
19) Roethlisberger
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20) Ramsey
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Postby LT Blue Colt » Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:06 am

Plindsey88 wrote:I've got em:

1) Manning
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2) McNabb
3) Culpepper
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4) Bulger
5) Vick
6) Green
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7) Brady
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8) Brees
9) Delhomme
10) Favre
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11) Hasselbeck
12) Collins
13) Plummer
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14) Palmer
15) Brooks
16) Pennington
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17) Carr
18) Leftwich
19) Roethlisberger
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20) Ramsey


What? No Joey?!? :-D :-D :-D
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Postby Plindsey88 » Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:19 am

LT Blue Colt wrote:
Plindsey88 wrote:I've got em:

1) Manning
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2) McNabb
3) Culpepper
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4) Bulger
5) Vick
6) Green
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7) Brady
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8) Brees
9) Delhomme
10) Favre
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11) Hasselbeck
12) Collins
13) Plummer
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14) Palmer
15) Brooks
16) Pennington
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17) Carr
18) Leftwich
19) Roethlisberger
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20) Ramsey


What? No Joey?!? :-D :-D :-D



You know, every year I struggle with where to put that bum... And it seems to me like he's decent one week, and horrid the next.... As such, I wouldn't want that guy anywhere near my fantasy team... He could blow up with the talented WR's he's got, or he could continue in Harrington mode, and somehow manage to blow it for Detroit yet again.... If he was a horse I'd have shot him by now... And I think Mariucci is probably feeling somewhat the same... So, I don't think Joey has much leeway... If he can't go .500 through the first 6 games, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him riding the pine.... And who needs a back-up fantasy QB who's busy guarding the Gatorade every week? Besides, other than Ramsey, who on my list would you put Josephine Harrington ahead of? And, yes, Ramsey made the list as a deep sleeper, and a bit of a homer pick... I don't expect him to do much, but I couldn't just leave him out there to dry with the Josh McCown's and Joey Harrington's of the world....
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Postby SwiperNoSwiping » Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:22 am

1. Manning
2. McNabb
3. Culpepper
4. Bulger
5. Collins
6. Plummer
7. Green
8. Favre
9. Brady
10. Hasselbeck

Honorable mention to: Brees, Delhomme, Pennington and Vick (no particular order).
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Postby Free Bagel » Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:59 am

Plindsey88 wrote:I've got em:

1) Manning
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2) McNabb
3) Culpepper
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[4) Bulger
5) Vick
6) Green
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7) Brady
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8) Brees
9) Delhomme
10) Favre
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11) Hasselbeck
12) Collins
13) Plummer
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14) Palmer
15) Brooks
16) Pennington
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17) Carr
18) Leftwich
19) Roethlisberger
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20) Ramsey


I'm interested to hear your comments as to why you've got Bulger 9 spots, and 3 tiers ahead of Collins.

Bulger 2003: 15 starts, 3845 yards, 22 TD
Bulger 2004: 14 starts, 3964 yards, 21 TD

Collins 2004: 13 stars, 3495 yards, 21 TD

As you can see, Collins put up comprable stats to Bulger in fewer games. Now you throw in the fact that Collins is getting Moss, who single-handidly made Gus Frerotte look like Dan Marino, and you're looking at two guys with similar numbers last year and one of them getting a HUGE upgrade, and I think it puts Collins clearly ahead of Bulger, and in no way could I put him that far behind him.
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Postby Santacruzer » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:08 am

One guy who I am excited about having as a sleeper pick is Pennington. He will be around as a second selection QB, and could perform quite well IMO.

He is one of the most accurate QBs in the NFL, Has Coles back (they had a huge connection before - both had their best seasons together), and now Penny has a Offensive Coordinator that isn't affraid to throw the ball downfield.

I think he will become the QB everyone thought he would be in 2004.
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Postby Plindsey88 » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:25 am

Free Bagel wrote:
Plindsey88 wrote:I've got em:

1) Manning
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2) McNabb
3) Culpepper
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4) Bulger
5) Vick
6) Green
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7) Brady
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8) Brees
9) Delhomme
10) Favre
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11) Hasselbeck
12) Collins
13) Plummer
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14) Palmer
15) Brooks
16) Pennington
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17) Carr
18) Leftwich
19) Roethlisberger
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20) Ramsey


I'm interested to hear your comments as to why you've got Bulger 9 spots, and 3 tiers ahead of Collins.

Bulger 2003: 15 starts, 3845 yards, 22 TD
Bulger 2004: 14 starts, 3964 yards, 21 TD

Collins 2004: 13 stars, 3495 yards, 21 TD

As you can see, Collins put up comprable stats to Bulger in fewer games. Now you throw in the fact that Collins is getting Moss, who single-handidly made Gus Frerotte look like Dan Marino, and you're looking at two guys with similar numbers last year and one of them getting a HUGE upgrade, and I think it puts Collins clearly ahead of Bulger, and in no way could I put him that far behind him.



Well, for one thing, there is the fact that I don't think you can go wrong with a QB under Mike Martz... The guy is a passing maniac.... I suppose the same could be said of Norv Turner, but I think the addition of Lamont Jordan is going to tone down the use of those 4 and 5 WR sets that Collins was able to benefit from so much late last year.... Whereas Martz will air that sumbitch out regardless... He did it with Faulk as the main man, and he'll do it with Jackson, too....

But, since we are talking statistics, here are the ones that factored into my decision:

Bulger '04: 93.7 QB rating, 66.2 completion %, 14 INT, 5 FUM

Collins '04: 74.8 QB rating, 56.3 completion %, 20 INT, 7 FUM

And Collins committed all of those turnovers in fewer games, as well....

You may be right that the addition of Moss will help to correct those numbers, but I'm not sold on Kerry Collins.... His completion percentage is lousy and his turnover ratio is too high...
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Postby Free Bagel » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:32 pm

Almost all of Collins' turnovers came in those first few games he came in. Once he got adjusted to the system he was actually fairly lights out the last half of the year. I need to throw some numbers together and look at 2nd half fantasy QB's, because I'm guessing Collins would've been right near the top last year.

Bulger threw 22 INT's of his own in 2003, and has always been known for turning the ball over much like Collins has.

Not sure what effect completion percentage and QB rating has in fantasy.

The bottom line as I see it, and you're certainly entitled to your own opinion as well, is that Collins put up only roughly 30 fewer points than Bulger last year even in yardage heavy scoring systems (which favor Bulger's numbers from last year) in one fewer game, and he gets Moss this year. And that's after a horrid start be Collins, he came on very strong when he got adjusted and things started to click.
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Postby Free Bagel » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:35 pm

Santacruzer wrote:One guy who I am excited about having as a sleeper pick is Pennington. He will be around as a second selection QB, and could perform quite well IMO.

He is one of the most accurate QBs in the NFL, Has Coles back (they had a huge connection before - both had their best seasons together), and now Penny has a Offensive Coordinator that isn't affraid to throw the ball downfield.

I think he will become the QB everyone thought he would be in 2004.


I think you could be on to something here, I really like Pennington's value, he seems to be going in rounds 9 through 11, which is pretty late.
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Postby hastur » Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:26 pm

Here's my controversial list:

1. CPepp(his rushing yards put him ahead of Manning last year(in my league anyway) in points)
2. Manning(P)
3. McNabb
4. Collins(Free Bagel has it right, 2nd half of season he WAS lights out)
5. Green
6. Brees
7. Palmer
8. Penny
9. Delhomme
10. Vick
11. Bulger
12. Carr
13. Bledsoe
14. Hasselbeck
15. Warner(no, this is not a joke)
16. Leftwich
17. Brady
18. Favre
19. Plummer
20. Ramsey
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