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Why are Safeties worth so little in FF?

Postby Atog » Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:38 pm

In most leagues (at least i think most leagues), a safety is worth 2 points to the defense that scored it. Why is that? The majority of teams in the NFL didn't even score a safety last year. At the very least, a safety could be worth 4 points, 2 for the points scored and 2 for the turnover.
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Postby MeShawn » Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:44 pm

LOL, I thought this was going to be a CB vs S discussion.


Anyways, I agree with you that it should be worth more. The logic behind it being worth only two points is that the NFL team gets 2 points (like a DEF TD's = 6 fantasy points, 6 points for the NFL team), obviously. I personally would rather see safety's worth 6 points in fantasy.
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Postby no1cowboysfan » Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:47 pm

MeShawn wrote:LOL, I thought this was going to be a CB vs S discussion.


same here. :-D

I have argued this for quite a while, and have fought to implement this in my leagues too. The 4 point scenario makes a lot of sense, as one does get the ball back (hence the turnover) on a safety.
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Postby MCG321 » Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:48 pm

Eh, I don't think I could ever make a case for a safety being worth as much as a defensive TD. Defensive TDs are rare, too, and worth 3 times as much as a safety, so I don't see how you could argue that they should be the same amount of fantasy points.
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Postby Atog » Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:15 pm

Looked it up... 19 teams did not score a safety in the 2004 season, compared to 7 teams that did not score a defensive touchdown.
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Postby TaturCity34 » Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:20 pm

I made safeties worth 4 pts in my league. They're rare enough where where the scoring change doesn't affect much but, at 4 pts its quite exciting when your D gets one.
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Postby MeShawn » Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:22 pm

MCG321 wrote:Eh, I don't think I could ever make a case for a safety being worth as much as a defensive TD. Defensive TDs are rare, too, and worth 3 times as much as a safety, so I don't see how you could argue that they should be the same amount of fantasy points.



Actually, there is a HUGE difference in defensive TD's and safeties. 15 safeties in the whole league last year. 86 Defensive TD's. Since safeties are 5-6 rarer than defensive TD's, they should be worth 5-6 times more fantasy points.

IF....

Def TD = 6 fantasy points


A safety should = 34.4 points



My 6 point per safety was a conservative estamite.

This is the same reason that in some leagues, they make QB TD's equal 4 points instead of the standard 6. They score so many more times than a RB or a WR, that their TD's should be worth less. Just food for thought.
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Postby Azrael » Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:55 pm

They're worth so little in FF because they are worth so little in real football. A safety is often the result of opportunity not because the defense is good. Just because something doesn't happen often doesn't mean it should be worth alot of points.
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Postby treat24 » Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:01 pm

easy solution... change the scoring... safeties have been worth 5 points in my keeper league since 1992...
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Postby MeShawn » Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:17 pm

Azrael wrote:They're worth so little in FF because they are worth so little in real football. A safety is often the result of opportunity not because the defense is good. Just because something doesn't happen often doesn't mean it should be worth alot of points.


Well, so much of football is opportunity.

If an offense starts on the opponents 5 yard line (becuse of a TO) and scores on the first play, that's purely opportunity. Should the TD be less fantasy points?

When a WR who ran the wrong route and the CB is standing right there for the INT, is that any more skill than getting a sack for a safety?

For IDP, should a forced fumble not be worth anything since it involved no skill, just picking up the ball?

Is it unfair that some kickers get more opps than others which equals more fantasy point opportunities?


Either way you slice it, a lot of football is just about luck an opportunities (just like any sport). Fantasy football is about stats. The luck factor shouldn't be very important. You can interpret every single play as "lucky".
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