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Postby nebbie2004 » Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:16 pm

Here's Is Part One of our Compliced Cafe June Player Rankings: Thanks to HwykeTKD, Kanezfan11, JJthez929, PackAttack84, Deluxe24_7,David Marver, and Yours Truly, Nebbie2004 for sharing their cheatsheets with me as I averaged the rankings together to share with you guys, the Cafe Members, ;-D


Average Rank Top 30 QB's Neb Hwyt Kanz JJtz Pack Dlux David
1.00 Peyton Manning, IND 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
2.28 Daunte Culpepper, MIN 2 3 2 3 2 2 2
2.85 Donovan McNabb, PHI 3 2 3 2 3 3 4
4.57 Trent Green, KC 5 4 5 5 5 5 3
5.14 Marc Bulger, STL 8 5 4 4 4 4 7
7.71 Kerry Collins, OAK 6 8 11 6 10 7 6
8.14 Brett Favre, GB 10 6 15 7 8 6 5
9.85 Tom Brady, NE 7 9 7 11 12 14 9
10.00 Michael Vick, ATL 4 12 6 9 14 15 10
10.42 Jake Delhomme, CAR 13 14 10 8 6 10 12
10.57 Drew Brees, SD 12 10 9 10 7 13 13
12.28 Matt Hasslebeck, SEA 11 7 12 12 13 11 20
12.85 Jake Plummer, DEN 15 16 19 14 9 9 8
14.14 Chad Pennington, NYJ 9 13 13 15 16 18 15
14.42 Carson Palmer, CIN 16 11 8 31 11 8 16
14.71 Aaron Brooks, NO 17 15 17 13 15 12 14
17.14 David Carr, HOU 14 21 16 16 17 17 19
17.14 Bryon Leftwich, JAX 18 17 14 17 20 16 18
20.57 Steve McNair, TEN 20 19 21 20 26 27 11
21.57 Brian Griese, TB 22 20 25 19 22 19 24
22.71 Ben Roesthlisberger, PIT 19 31 18 23 18 24 26
23.28 Joey Harrington, DET 21 22 23 26 28 21 22
23.57 Eli Manning, NYG 23 26 20 24 19 22 31
25.28 Drew Bledsoe, DAL 25 23 25 21 27 31 25
25.42 Kurt Warner, ARI 27 31 27 31 25 20 17
25.42 Kyle Boller, BAL 24 29 28 29 21 26 21
26.14 Rex Grossman, CHI 28 25 23 27 23 28 29
26.42 J.P. Losman, BUF 29 31 26 22 24 23 30
28.71 Patrick Ramsey, WAS 26 24 29 31 31 29 31
29.14 Alex Smith, SF 30 30 21 30 31 31 31
29.14 Billy Volek, TEN 31 31 30 25 29 31 27

JUST MISSED:
29.71 Jeff Garcia, DET 31 31 31 31 30 31 23
30.28 Trent Dilfer, CIN 31 27 31 31 31 30 31
30.57 A.J. Feely, MIA 31 31 31 28 31 31 31
30.57 Jon Kitna, CIN 31 31 31 31 31 31 28

NOTE: Rank of 31 means by an Ranker means Left Unranked.


BOOKMARK THIS THREAD NOW AS YOU MAY REFER TO IT OFTEN, ;-) , After I have Posted all 5 Parts of the June Rankings, I will submit them to Arlo for publishing in the Cheatsheets Section. ;-D Look for Part 2: Running Backs Tommorroow or the Next Day!

Enjoy! B-)


Edit: Added 17 ranking from David Marver to Kurt Warner as I missed it. Also changed "na" to "31" to make Rankings more proportional! ;-D
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Postby IRON CHEF » Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:21 pm

These rankings will be very valuable indeed, nice work on those who put them together. ;-D
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Postby UNDEFEATED » Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:23 pm

wow...when did you guys set this up?

i am assuming this is a redraft list vs FF Newbie's Keeper lists.

thanx boys.

i think Warner should be top 20...barely

Brooks i would put him higher. cuz he and brady always have similar stats and Brady is 9...actually i change my mind. Brady will be throwing alot this season and the saints will be running alot. 9 and 14 good positions.
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Postby nebbie2004 » Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:29 pm

UNDEFEATED wrote:wow...when did you guys set this up?

i am assuming this is a redraft list vs FF Newbie's Keeper lists.

thanx boys.

i think Warner should be top 20...barely

Brooks i would put him higher. cuz he and brady always have similar stats and Brady is....top 7


Yeah, this is a Set of ReDraft Rankings; We organzied this I would say about a Week and a Half ago! ;-D
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Postby Plindsey88 » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:04 pm

These rankings look pretty solid.... I'm interested to see how the rest of them turn out....
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Postby Flux » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:08 pm

I dont dispute the rankings in general, but I noticed every time you had an "na" you just discounted it in your average. You should take the "na" as the lowest ranking plus 1. So if it was out of 30, an "na" should be 31 and included in your avg

Btw, how in the world was Palmer given an na?
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Postby Free Bagel » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:16 pm

Flux wrote:I dont dispute the rankings in general, but I noticed every time you had an "na" you just discounted it in your average. You should take the "na" as the lowest ranking plus 1. So if it was out of 30, an "na" should be 31 and included in your avg

Btw, how in the world was Palmer given an na?


Yeah I agree, hence Garcia being ahead of Ramsey despite his average being WAY lower.

26.50 Jeff Garcia, DET na na na na 30 na 23
27.00 Patrick Ramsey, WAS 26 24 29 na na 29 na
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Postby nebbie2004 » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:25 pm

Free Bagel wrote:
Flux wrote:I dont dispute the rankings in general, but I noticed every time you had an "na" you just discounted it in your average. You should take the "na" as the lowest ranking plus 1. So if it was out of 30, an "na" should be 31 and included in your avg

Btw, how in the world was Palmer given an na?


Yeah I agree, hence Garcia being ahead of Ramsey despite his average being WAY lower.

26.50 Jeff Garcia, DET na na na na 30 na 23
27.00 Patrick Ramsey, WAS 26 24 29 na na 29 na


I thought about that and didnt do it that way because 31 for all the Na's wouldnt average well because how can everyone rank so many players 31, instead of 31, 32, 33, etc.

Oh yeah, Sadly someone omited Carson Palmer from their rankings, if you look real close you can tell: :-o
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Postby hayesb26 » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:35 pm

nebbie2004 wrote:
Free Bagel wrote:
Flux wrote:I dont dispute the rankings in general, but I noticed every time you had an "na" you just discounted it in your average. You should take the "na" as the lowest ranking plus 1. So if it was out of 30, an "na" should be 31 and included in your avg

Btw, how in the world was Palmer given an na?


Yeah I agree, hence Garcia being ahead of Ramsey despite his average being WAY lower.

26.50 Jeff Garcia, DET na na na na 30 na 23
27.00 Patrick Ramsey, WAS 26 24 29 na na 29 na


I thought about that and didnt do it that way because 31 for all the Na's wouldnt average well because how can everyone rank so many players 31, instead of 31, 32, 33, etc.

Oh yeah, Sadly someone omited Carson Palmer from their rankings, if you look real close you can tell: :-o




Yeah, but doing it that way leads to misguided rankings. Jeff Garcia wasn't ranked by the whole team of rankings as 26.50, he was ranked there by two of them. The rest didn't think he was worthy of mention in the top thirty.

This does throw off the rankings a bit, but they still look pretty solid so far. Some of the best I've seen around the boards lately.
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Postby Plindsey88 » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:52 pm

Flux wrote:I dont dispute the rankings in general, but I noticed every time you had an "na" you just discounted it in your average. You should take the "na" as the lowest ranking plus 1. So if it was out of 30, an "na" should be 31 and included in your avg

Btw, how in the world was Palmer given an na?



Nebbie, I have to agree here....

Let's say for the sake of dicussion that 1 guy ranked Garcia at 5th, and another guy at 11th, and the rest did not rank him, feeling that he is more like 35th....

The way you averaged them he would end up ranking 8th.... Even though the vast majority of your rankers felt he was not any higher than 35th.....

See what they mean?
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