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Postby davidmarver » Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:09 pm

TTTBone wrote:
bagobonez wrote:I tend not to put too much stock in the schedules anymore. Certainly they deserve to be considered, but I remember last year when I was trying to decide between Kevan Barlow and Rudi Johnson...

And there lies the problem, you where trying to decide between Rudi and Barlow?
No-brainer, regardless of schedule.
Barlow, to put it mild, struggled in the past, and never could beat out an old and broken down, 32 year old, Garrison Hearst. Barlow is a footnote.
Rudi, while he'll never be a HOFamer, he's easily better RB than Barlow will ever be. I would have said the same thing prior to last season.
Rudi already has some Bengal records now, Barlow... still think he'll be the answer to some bad sports trivia questions.


Going into last season Barlow actually looked like as good, if not better, a pick than Rudi. Barlow catches more passes than Rudi and his averages were better than Rudi's going into last season. To criticize someone on choosing Barlow over Rudi last season would be like criticizing the Colts if they decided to take Leaf over Manning; the two were so close at the time it's one of those luck-of-the-draw situations.
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Postby bagobonez » Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:09 pm

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bagobonez wrote:I tend not to put too much stock in the schedules anymore. Certainly they deserve to be considered, but I remember last year when I was trying to decide between Kevan Barlow and Rudi Johnson...

And there lies the problem, you where trying to decide between Rudi and Barlow?
No-brainer, regardless of schedule.
Barlow, to put it mild, struggled in the past, and never could beat out an old and broken down, 32 year old, Garrison Hearst. Barlow is a footnote.
Rudi, while he'll never be a HOFamer, he's easily better RB than Barlow will ever be. I would have said the same thing prior to last season.
Rudi already has some Bengal records now, Barlow... still think he'll be the answer to some bad sports trivia questions.


Yeah but hindsight is 20/20, he was facing a really brutal schedule, had to deal with essentially a rookie QB starting, and had not proven he could carry a full season because Dillon was on the team the year before.

Meanwhile, Barlow was the 49ers' best option in their offense, was expected to get 30 carries a game, and had played very well when given the opportunity when he was sharing time with Hearst.

Don't get me wrong, i like Rudi better as a RB, but his schedule was just nasty and that scared me away when it shouldn't have.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:21 pm

Im sorry - but I have no sympathy for Barlow owners from last yr. Half the cafe had him rated as a bust. He was one of the most controversal RB picks. If you chose to ignore the arguments against Barlow, it was your own decision.

Schedules are an important factor in rating players. Just because you picked Barlow because of his easy schedule yet you ignored the poor situation he was in to begin with doesnt mean taking schedules into consideration is a bad move. It means you didnt pay attention to the more important factors - like OLine, offense around him, and defensive ability to maintain a viable running game.
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Postby TTTBone » Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:31 pm

Call it hindsight if you like guys, but It's nothing of the kind.
I was going nowhere near Barlow last season, two years ago, three years ago, this season, or any other season. "Davidmarver", if you had Barlow and Rudi ranked equal last year, I'm feeling sorry for you. You were looking at an underachieving, failed young RB in the potentially worst team and offense in the NFL in San Fran, as you are this year. And, gosh... it did play out that way.
No it's not 20/20 hindsight, it's quite clear 20/20 foresight. Barlow has always sucked, always will. As I said, a footnote in the NFL.


Oh yeah, if you still think this is finally Barlow's year, I might suggest you pick up Frank Gore in one of the final rounds of your draft. Just a thought.
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Postby davidmarver » Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:04 pm

900 yards on 5.0 a carry is pretty sucky ;-7 I didn't pick Barlow last year...I'm always a RB first two rounds guy, but to criticize picking him over Rudi last season isn't very tasteful.
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Postby davidmarver » Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:17 pm

Hey TTT...I just went through your posts last season and found this beauty.

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... udi+barlow

Looks like you didn't have that "foresight", now did you?
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Postby TTTBone » Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:04 pm

davidmarver wrote:Hey TTT...I just went through your posts last season and found this beauty.

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... udi+barlow

Looks like you didn't have that "foresight", now did you?


yeah, here's that post...
TTTBone wrote:Okay, here's the guys I see as every down backs this year (in no particular order):
Edge
F. Taylor
Priest
Dillon
Ahman
Deuce
Barlow
Portis
LT2
Alexander

Every other team has some RB issues. The rest in my opinion, rated from best starting RB to disasterous RBBC (and don't kill me, this is a quick list).

Lewis/M. Smith (legal issues)
Henry/McGahee
Faulk/Jackson
Davis/Foster
Rudi/Perry
DD/Hollings
Suggs/Green
Tiki/Dayne
T. Jones/A-Train
C. Brown/A. Smith
Westbrook/anyone else
C-Mart/Jordan
K. Jones/Pinner
Duce/Bus
Q-Tip/Bell/Hearst/Anderson
Dunn/Duckett
Garner/Pittman
George/JJ
Bennett/Moe/Onterio/Moore
Wheatley/Fargas/Zereoue
Smith/Hambone
Travis Minor/anyone else


So, I had Barlow as an every down RB last year, I think 95% of us did. However, I still hated the guy and thought he was far overrated. I saw Barlow as an every week starting guy last year, and probably the worst of the "for-sure starters". Doesn't mean I had any respect for the guy, or expected him to perform. :-b :-b :-b
I didn't. :-°

Thanks for researching my posts "davidmarver", it's flattering, but you'll find absolutely no instance where I ever endorse Barlow. B-)
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Postby davidmarver » Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:30 pm

TTTBone wrote:Thanks for researching my posts "davidmarver", it's flattering, but you'll find absolutely no instance where I ever endorse Barlow. B-)

Actually, I did.

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
you wish you had barlow there

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
your second post there has you saying "sounds right to me" to Kevan Barlow and the 49ers being a better running team than Green Bay.

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
You told him not to trade for Barlow, even though you admitted he was an upgrade over T.Jones. Well turns out Jones performed better than Barlow and Walker did far better than Moss.

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
Here you told the guy to trade for Barlow.

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
Again supported the Barlow side.

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
Here you told the guy to go after Barlow.

Here's the end-all of the discussion.
http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
You had Barlow ranked ahead of Corey Dillon...yet tell the guy to pick Dillon in the 3rd, which means you think Barlow was, at the very least, a third round pick. Also would like to point out that Cornbread had Barlow ahead of DD.

Come on guys, you don't have to pretend like you never thought Barlow was going to do decent; most of us thought so. There's nothing wrong with being incorrect on a fantasy player from time-to-time.
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Postby Pete123444 » Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:48 pm

davidmarver wrote:
TTTBone wrote:Thanks for researching my posts "davidmarver", it's flattering, but you'll find absolutely no instance where I ever endorse Barlow. B-)

Actually, I did.

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
you wish you had barlow there

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
your second post there has you saying "sounds right to me" to Kevan Barlow and the 49ers being a better running team than Green Bay.

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
You told him not to trade for Barlow, even though you admitted he was an upgrade over T.Jones. Well turns out Jones performed better than Barlow and Walker did far better than Moss.

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
Here you told the guy to trade for Barlow.

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
Again supported the Barlow side.

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
Here you told the guy to go after Barlow.

Here's the end-all of the discussion.
http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
You had Barlow ranked ahead of Corey Dillon...yet tell the guy to pick Dillon in the 3rd, which means you think Barlow was, at the very least, a third round pick. Also would like to point out that Cornbread had Barlow ahead of DD.

Come on guys, you don't have to pretend like you never thought Barlow was going to do decent; most of us thought so. There's nothing wrong with being incorrect on a fantasy player from time-to-time.


note to self; don't piss off marver. lol
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Postby TTTBone » Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:24 pm

Wow, a
bit thin skinned...
davidmarver wrote:
TTTBone wrote:Thanks for researching my posts "davidmarver", it's flattering, but you'll find absolutely no instance where I ever endorse Barlow. B-)

Actually, I did.

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
you wish you had barlow there
TTT wanted Barlow as a one week start, surprise! Talking about a WW pick-up with Barlow and no owner even grabbed him off the wire :-b

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
your second post there has you saying "sounds right to me" to Kevan Barlow and the 49ers being a better running team than Green Bay.
just a comment on others predictions, and a rip on Barlow
http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
You told him not to trade for Barlow, even though you admitted he was an upgrade over T.Jones. Well turns out Jones performed better than Barlow and Walker did far better than Moss.
Wow. I rated Barlow over T. Jones last season... STUDS ALL!

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
Here you told the guy to trade for Barlow.
yeah, a back-up for a starter, even if he sucks is good advice.

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
Again supported the Barlow side.
Yep, I was for that trade. Moulds was the guy I was counting on, Barlow was the throw-in. I was wrong.

http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
Here you told the guy to go after Barlow.
yeah, I told a guy to grab a cheap starting RB when he had NO starting RBs, that's a BIG endorsement; and I told him to go for "fragile" Freddie first.
Here's the end-all of the discussion.
http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/foru ... ght=barlow
You had Barlow ranked ahead of Corey Dillon...yet tell the guy to pick Dillon in the 3rd, which means you think Barlow was, at the very least, a third round pick. Also would like to point out that Cornbread had Barlow ahead of DD.
yeah, I had DD, Dillon and Barlow ranked close last year, but none in the top ten RBs, we were talking 18th pick, and I had DD and Fragile Fred ahead of him; considering other positions, that puts Barlow at 20-25(highest ranking ever by TTT, my bad)

Come on guys, you don't have to pretend like you never thought Barlow was going to do decent; most of us thought so. There's nothing wrong with being incorrect on a fantasy player from time-to-time.


Once again, I'm flattered, nice job of running the "TTTBone" search along with "Barlow".
I guess you can't believe me, I must be lying!
I will tell you I never "completely" discounted Barlow as a FFootball "commodity".
However, He's just a commodity for people who overrank him. I've always hated him in FFootball, and he never, ever, saw a position on any of my teams (never will).
Seems that if people actually read these threads, I think they show more so how I've always discounted Barlow than supported him.
Thanks for posting these and supporting my position. ;-D
Nice work, Marver. ;-D
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