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Postby Kensat30 » Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:45 pm

This may get overlooked to some extent, but did you know that Moss was the single most effective player at the goalline last year at any position?

He was passed the ball 12 times last year and caught 8 touchdowns. Give the man 20+ chances like some RBs... Records could be broken.
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No one really argues that Priest Holmes was above and beyond all RB competitors before he got injured last season. But a lot of people overlook the fact that RANDY MOSS was also on pace to break a touchdown record last season before injury. He had 8 touchdowns in 5 games@!@# An argument could be made to draft Randy Moss #1 overall.
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Postby Plindsey88 » Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:02 pm

Kensat30 wrote:An argument could be made to draft Randy Moss #1 overall.



Not with Kerry Collins it couldn't....
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Postby MickDaddy » Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:18 pm

Collins will get the long ball out to either Moss or Porter. Can't cover both. I am a bit worried though about how fast Moss will be on the extra grass fields he'll be playing on.
As an aside, I can see Moss chucking a wounded duck touchdown pass to Porter at least once!
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Postby Sixxgunn » Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:25 pm

Kensat30 wrote:This may get overlooked to some extent, but did you know that Moss was the single most effective player at the goalline last year at any position?

He was passed the ball 12 times last year and caught 8 touchdowns. Give the man 20+ chances like some RBs... Records could be broken.
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No one really argues that Priest Holmes was above and beyond all RB competitors before he got injured last season. But a lot of people overlook the fact that RANDY MOSS was also on pace to break a touchdown record last season before injury. He had 8 touchdowns in 5 games@!@# An argument could be made to draft Randy Moss #1 overall.



Put this guy on the Colts with Manning and there could be a record set that couldn't be broken between any 2 WR's. Put wishes in one hand.....
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:30 pm

Plindsey88 wrote:
Yes, but consider Oakland's non-division opponents and how they ranked against the pass last year:

New England (19th) - Moss double teamed by Rodney Harrison

Philly (12th) - Moss double teamed by Brian Dawkins

Dallas (20th) - Moss double teamed by Roy Williams

Buffalo (3rd)

Tennessee (26th) - OK, this one will be easy

Washington (7th)

Miami (1st)

NY Jets (14th)

Cleveland (5th)

NY Giants (9th)

OK, so that's 10 games.... 3 of them against top 5 secondaries... 5 of them against top 10 secondaries... 7 of them against top 15 secondaries.... 9 of them against top 20 secondaries....

And against 3 of those outside the top 10 (NE, PHI, and DAL), Moss will be double covered by All-Pro safeties....

So I'm not seeing this piece of cake schedule you're talking about.... Not at all.....


NE - why would the SS be double covering Moss? I see no reason why Moss wouldnt be able to abuse the 5-10 Eugene Wilson.

PHI - Yeah - gotta respect Dawkins there.

Dallas - again why would the SS be covering Moss? Keith Davis could be in trouble though as he also gives half a foot to Moss.

BUF - gotta respect Vincent.

WAS - who is in their secondary again? Hopefully STaylor isnt in jail and SSprings really isnt overrated - otherwise Moss could run free.

MIA - is Tillman good enough to shut him down? Poole? Madison?


I can go through the NFL and name on one hand secondaries that I think Moss may struggle against if they have great games against him. The schedule isnt a sentence against Moss by any means.

One of the biggest things I look at is the concept that OAK will be involved in high scoring games due to their poor D - thats fantasy gold right there.
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Postby s0meguy » Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:01 pm

I am always extremely cautious on spending high picks on guys who just changed teams or lost key personal. It's too much of a gamble to spend a first rounder in my opinion. This year, I would rather have Owens because in my mind, barring injury (unlikely), he's a lock to be top 5 and probably top 2. Moss's situtation is much worse than last year, lets look at the negative aspects of his new team-

1 Culpepper is better than Collins
2 Minnesota had one of the worst defences last year, they had to throw more than Oakland will
3 Moss has to learn a new system
4 Oakland is worse than Minnesota, Moss is a crybaby and he might quit if Oakland starts losing
5 Tice throws more than Turner
6 Oakland has a stable RB, and he was recently traded for so he will get touches
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Postby Free Bagel » Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:14 pm

As a dynasty Moss owner, I'm surprised that my biggest concern about him hasn't been mentioned here by the people on the anti-Moss side (which I certainly am not).

The move from an Artificial surface to grass. For his career Moss has done a good deal better on artificial surfaces, and he will be playing at least 10 games less (8 in Minn and 2 in Detroit) per year on artificial surfaces now.
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Postby 9er Fan » Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:01 am

9er Fan wrote:8 home games are now outdoors rather than indoors/on turf

Sorry, couldn't resist ;-)
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Postby Free Bagel » Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:41 am

Doh, well in that case good point ;-D
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Postby Warpigs » Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:07 am

Something else to consider is Moss' attitude this offseason. From all the articles I could read -- it's pretty obvious that Moss is working harder than ever this offseason to be ready for a big season. He has a lot of pride at stake and could quiet a bunch of critics if he does well in Oakland. I think that this makes him somewhat more appealing overall -- not that I don't agree with the others in stating that you should trade down for Moss.
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