ROYALWITCHEESE wrote:Suggs ypc IS worse. And I DID look it up. Droughns 4.5 Suggs 3.7. I don't come into a debate without ammo. You should try it.
Except that we were comparing their ypc in 3rd down situations. And in 3rd down situations they both had a 3.4 ypc. Of course Droughns seasonal ypc was higher. He was running behind the Denver O-line. Denver is one of the game's elite run blocking lines, whereas Cleveland is quite possibly worst offensive line in the NFL. 4.5 ypc behind the Denver line isn't much of a feat (see Davis, Gary, Anderson, Portis). Try arguing the point, which I'll repeat as it probably got lost in all of this: Suggs is a better RB in 3rd down situations, instead of changing the subject when the facts are against you.
I didn't say no knowledge of the game. I said no knowledge of the elements in the equation. And if you admit to not having the necessary knowledge, why feel the need to speak on it as if you do?
You're exact words were "Learn football." That directly implies that I don't have any knowledge of the game of football, otherwise why would I need to learn it? If you don't understand how your words imply that, too bad. I'd gladly give English lessons, but they're not free.
Watching a player is not necessary in making speculations (which we're both doing) as to their usage will be. And I have seen Droughns play, just haven't seen much of him. His size, the scheme of running he's had success in, better power runners available that the team didn't at least try to acquire, and the fact that the other back on the roster is a better 3rd down back, all contribute to a very logical assumption, that he was not brought in to Cleveland to be their 3rd down back. That's more than sufficient to make the argument as to what his usage in Cleveland will be.
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said size had nothing to do with style. Strength does however, and you'll notice I mentioned that, or perhaps not--you ignored it.
And you have a way of measuring strength in RBs? Can you pull up their bench press totals from the off-season to show who is stronger? Maybe squat totals too, since those demonstrate leg power, and that's necessary for staying on your feet while running through another player.
Exactly where did you bring up strength before? You say that Suggs is shifty and Droughns is a power-running back, but you dont have anything to back it up, other than your own personal observations, which are inheritantly inaccurate for a variety of reasons that all personal observations.
What we can infer however is that size does matter for power RBs. Jerome Bettis, Jim Brown, Corey Dillon, Jamal Lewis, all of these guys are known for being classic power runners, and they're all over 225 lbs, most power runners seem to be around 250 even. Smaller backs like Westbrook, Marshall Faulk, and Dunn are known for being shifty runners. Its no coincident that there's size often reflects running style, and it would be no great leap of faith to assume a RB under 210 will not have much success with the power-running style.
If you are say 178 obviously you can't be a power back. But over 200 pounds there are variants in styles. Holmes is elusive but can still bowl you over at 210 as can Droughns. Suggs is an elusive runner and always has been. Droughns is a straigh line runner in the mold of a Stephen Davis as I have already illustrated, but you ignored that ever so crucial detail to the argument.
Well, I was going to let the Stephen Davis thing slide, but if you really want to bring that comparison up. Stephen Davis is 230lbs. He can use the power-running style, because he's large enough. If you think 23 lbs of added muscle won't make a different, try find a pair of buddies around 230 and 207 and try tackling each of them running straight at you. Even if Droughns does use the same style as Davis, he's not going to have the same success, because he lacks the necessary weight.
Droughns size definitely wasn't a concern for 1300 yards and 6 TDs in 13 games now was it. And to figure he will split the carries decreases his chance of injury wouldn't you say?
Who brought up injury? Injuries are fluky and unpredicable. That's why I've yet to bring them into the argument. As for the yards, I'll say it again: Droughns played for Denver last year. Denver is where RBs go to be successful. Just about any RB can be plugged into that system, so long as they're capable of making one cutback.