Who makes who better?

[Flockers]

I think it was mutual too. They both helped one another out.

[Azrael]

Moss helped Culpepper more than Culpepper helped Moss.

[SHOCKandAWE]

I agree Moss can make anyone look great, however I do think that Collins is a better QB than Dante and could really help Moss crush a few single season records this year if he stays healthy

[PACKman1144]

Moss helped Culpepper more than the opposite. A great reciever can make a good QB, at least his numbers, look great. just by being able to catch the off target passes that come his way.

[M_Zimm_ffc]

I agree Moss can make anyone look great, however I do think that Collins is a better QB than Dante and could really help Moss crush a few single season records this year if he stays healthy

I have to completely disagree with this. There's no way Collins is a better QB than Daunte, Moss or no Moss. I woudln't hesitate to bet that Daunte has better stats in every passing category this year than Collins, and that's with Colllins having Randy. Kerry's never been anything more than a mediocre QB, and his WRs have never been terrible. There's no way a guy can go from a perrenial QB powerhouse to a mediocre QB by losing a WR. I think Moss definitely made him better, but he's still the number two or three QB. Because of Peyton's record season people seem to overlook that before Moss got hurt Daunte was on a pace to break the TD record too. And you don't set a pace to break a record by being a mediocre QB. He threw 26 TDs to WRs other than Moss, and without Moss he could easily throw less INTs because he won't be as apt to try to force a ball into coverage to get him catches.

[SHOCKandAWE]

I agree Moss can make anyone look great, however I do think that Collins is a better QB than Dante and could really help Moss crush a few single season records this year if he stays healthy

I have to completely disagree with this. There's no way Collins is a better QB than Daunte, Moss or no Moss. I woudln't hesitate to bet that Daunte has better stats in every passing category this year than Collins, and that's with Colllins having Randy. Kerry's never been anything more than a mediocre QB, and his WRs have never been terrible. There's no way a guy can go from a perrenial QB powerhouse to a mediocre QB by losing a WR. I think Moss definitely made him better, but he's still the number two or three QB. Because of Peyton's record season people seem to overlook that before Moss got hurt Daunte was on a pace to break the TD record too. And you don't set a pace to break a record by being a mediocre QB. He threw 26 TDs to WRs other than Moss, and without Moss he could easily throw less INTs because he won't be as apt to try to force a ball into coverage to get him catches.

The beauty of the cafe is that everyone has their own opinion. Mine happens to be an unbiased one and doesnt include one of the player of discussion in my sig

[M_Zimm_ffc]

The beauty of the cafe is that everyone has their own opinion. Mine happens to be an unbiased one and doesnt include one of the player of discussion in my sig

Being a Vikings fan doesn't automatically make me biased. If you have been at the cafe for a while you would know that in fact I'm very pissimistic about the Vikings, and generally not biased when it comes to telling the truth about their players (Randy Moss doesn't count anymore, he's a Raider ) based on what I see. Generally imo fans of the teams in discussion can provie the most insight, having watched their games. I haven't missed a snap of the Vikings in years, so I've seen my fair share of Culpepper play. It is possible to be unbiased about a player you like.

But yes, everybody is entitled to their own opinion; which is why I said I disagree with you, and didn't call you biased or anything else. And it is your opinion and choice to decide to disregard what I have to say about the team that I choose to follow. And I'll remember that the next time I see your opinion in a Steelers thread, or one that mentions Troy Polomalu.

[SHOCKandAWE]

Relax! Just having some fun with you. By the way I just started using this name because it is the one I use int he baseball one. It doesnt mean that i am new to the football cafe.

[UNDEFEATED]

So let me go ahead and bring it up cuz we are all expeting this to come from a Raider fan.

Moss made Cpep better. So this thread repeatedly seconds.

Whick ultimately means that Moss is going to make Collins better?

Collins better...? equals more yards/tds less ints. Sound logic. Its a beautiful thing.

And yes Moss made Cpep better.

[MadScott]

.... I'm very pissimistic about the Vikings....

I think Smith and the "Whizzinator" were pretty "pissimistic too.