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Postby defianthart » Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:46 pm

Experts Warn About Powdered Alcohol

By Alice Hill
RealTechNews

Not sure if this qualifies as a technical breakthrough, but apparently alcohol is now being sold in a handy powdered form. The German company that sells it on the Internet, with the odd and eerie name “Subyou” is coming under fire for selling a product that I guess minors are buying. Meanwhile, medical experts warn that the product contain preservatives and may harm your health. Like that jug of Jack Daniels won’t…

“They look harmless enough, the inconspicuous packets often next to the cashier at gas stations, convenience stores, beverage stores and bars. But according to consumer protection officials, that’s what makes them all the more dangerous, since the powder inside contains alcohol, and a lot of it — about 4.8 percent by volume. That is the equivalent of one to one-and-a-half glasses of liquor.

“The product is called subyou, manufactured by a company in North Rhine-Westphalia, and is marketed squarely at teenagers with slogans like “taste for not much dough” and “gets a good buzz going.” Add the powder to cold water, and consumers have an alcoholic drink containing either vodka or rum. “These are just as dangerous as the alcopops that came in the bottles,” Birgit Rehlender, nutrition expert at consumer affairs organization Stiftung Warentest told Der Spiegel weekly.

“While authorities were able to curtail the consumption of alcopops with a special tax on the drinks last August — which put them out of the reach of many teenage budgets — these new alcopops in powder form cost between 1.65 and 2.40 euros ($2.06 and $3.00) per package. Subyou is able to get around the tax because its product comes in powder form. The powder was first sold over the Internet, and word spread quickly among teenage circles that those under 18 could order off the Internet without fear of being asked for proof of age. However, according to Andrea Schauff, a nutritional expert at Hesse’s consumer protection organization, in many stores the powder is being sold to under-age kids even though a warning is printed on the packets: “Alcohol can be addictive — no sales to minors.”

“Besides the high alcohol content, youth advocates also worry about the powder’s other ingredients, including high levels of preservatives, sorbic acid, and dyes that have not been approved by health experts. ” Source: DW World.DE via Digg


are they talking about beer glasses or shot glasses?
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Postby Mercer Boy » Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:34 am

As a chemist, this does not make sense to me.

How can you make ethanol into a powder form? Ethanol's freezing point is -114.3 °C...or really effing cold. :-°

I don't know how preservatives could affect the freezing point, so I guess I will reserve judgment at this time...but still, you have to wonder what exactly they are using in that stuff...or whether it actually is alcohol and not some other odd drug. :-o

Well, I suppose whatever that stuff is when added to water could create ethanol by a chemical reaction...but still, I wouldn't trust that at all. :-t
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Postby Tiki » Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:17 am

Mercer Boy wrote:As a chemist, this does not make sense to me.

How can you make ethanol into a powder form? Ethanol's freezing point is -114.3 °C...or really effing cold. :-°

I don't know how preservatives could affect the freezing point, so I guess I will reserve judgment at this time...but still, you have to wonder what exactly they are using in that stuff...or whether it actually is alcohol and not some other odd drug. :-o

Well, I suppose whatever that stuff is when added to water could create ethanol by a chemical reaction...but still, I wouldn't trust that at all. :-t
Ok, I am really baked, but couldn't you burn it hot enough to make powder? :-]
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Postby defianthart » Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:28 am

Tiki wrote:
Mercer Boy wrote:As a chemist, this does not make sense to me.

How can you make ethanol into a powder form? Ethanol's freezing point is -114.3 °C...or really effing cold. :-°

I don't know how preservatives could affect the freezing point, so I guess I will reserve judgment at this time...but still, you have to wonder what exactly they are using in that stuff...or whether it actually is alcohol and not some other odd drug. :-o

Well, I suppose whatever that stuff is when added to water could create ethanol by a chemical reaction...but still, I wouldn't trust that at all. :-t
Ok, I am really baked, but couldn't you burn it hot enough to make powder? :-]


im pretty sure that would be ash, not powder...

and that really doesnt sound too safe mercer
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Postby Tiki » Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:36 am

nah man, in like a huge bowl and a huge bunsen burner! I kinda did something like that in science my freshman year. We poured the liquid, in there (The petri dish) then put it over the burner and wait till it burned, and what it turned out to be wasn't ash!


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Postby lmcjaho » Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:39 am

Tiki - sounds like you were doing some kind of accelerated evaporation bit with the liquid...
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Postby Tiki » Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:41 am

lmcjaho wrote:Tiki - sounds like you were doing some kind of accelerated evaporation bit with the liquid...
Oh, and that wouldn't work? :-?
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Postby Mercer Boy » Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:18 am

Tiki wrote:nah man, in like a hugr bowl and a huge buncin(SP?) burner! I kinda did something like that in science my freshman year. We poured the liquid, in there (The pitri(sp?) dish) then pu tit over the burner adn wait till it burned, and what it turned out to be wasn't ash!


That still doesn't matter...if you put ethanol over a flame, it will evaporate and turn into a gas. It has a boiling point of 78 °C. That's why I said unless whatever other things they put in it make it a solid, it doesn't make sense. Whatever that stuff is, it had better be edible. :-o
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Postby Tiki » Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:20 am

I just wanted to know, I was really wonderin'. Didn't mean to start angrument! :-o

Well, if it comes over here I hope your right! ;-D
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Postby Sixxgunn » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:57 am

Tiki wrote:nah man, in like a hugr bowl and a huge buncin(SP?) burner! I kinda did something like that in science my freshman year. We poured the liquid, in there (The pitri(sp?) dish) then pu tit over the burner adn wait till it burned, and what it turned out to be wasn't ash!


Okay, take a little ribbing here for a minute....
buncin(SP?)

(The pitri(sp?) dish)



These I could understand...and it's Petri and Bunsen BTW...but these...LOL! And with no little "sp" next to them!!!!

hugr


pu tit

(Two for one!)


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Sorry Tiki...just found that amusing way too early in the morning after going on a mini-bender last night! Looks like what I should be typing!

Okay, on subject, I guess this is a little bit better than the inhaled alcohol that they are trying to open now. They say after you do it you can have a huge percent of alcohol show on the breathalyzer, but it decreases greatly in just minutes because you exhale it all. Sounds like a waste of perfectly good alcohol to me!
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