Ravens_101 wrote:no way is Vick on the same plane as Kordell. Without Vick the falcons would only win near 5 games. I don't understand why people bash vick because he doesnt light up the fantasy stats or doesnt always make the Manning like throws, and audibles.
I cant speak for everyone, but I personally don't care about his fantasy stats. He isn't a good QB. He turns the ball over too much, doesn't protect it (hence his fumbling), can't throw worth squat. He's an incredible athlete, but a horrible QB.
This guy is a winner. Plain and Simple. He wins games. Single-handedly.
So is Big Ben. He's what, 15-1 as a starter? Don't forget how awful that Pittsburg team was before he took over either, but wait, everyone understands that Big Ben had success because of a great defense and a good team. I think its safe to say many don't credit him with leading his team to the championship, but rather losing them that playoff game.
Now let's compare that situation to Vick. Hmm, good solid team, with a great defense that keeps them in games. Look at their history under Vick. The defense did well last year and in 02, but the defense collapsed in 03, horribly. This team lives and dies on its defense, not Vick.
Vick gets credit for beating Green Bay in the playoffs, yet anyone who looks at the stats from that game can clearly see the defense won that game for the Falcons, Vick put up mediocre numbers for any QB, but the defense got an obscene number of turnovers.
I don't care if Vick passes or throws, but the QB is responsible for generating an offense. No other QB is considered to have a "great game" if they get 250 yards 1 TD and 0 turnovers. The fact is, Vick struggles to generate 200 yards of total offense, and can't keep a 1:1 TD:turnover ratio. His "Pro Bowl" stats last year resembled that of Quincy Carter in '03. Much like Carter in Dallas, Vick didn't lead his team to the playoffs, the defense did (Dallas had one heck of a defense in 03), he was just along for the ride.
Why don't critiques acknowledge his improvement and his adoptation to the NFL and the new offense implemented a year ago. He has improved as a passer
What improvement? Compare his 02 season to 04: His QB Rating went down, his TD total went down, his turnover total went up, his total yardage went down, his sack total went up. That is not improvement.