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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:49 pm

Heavyg25 wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:Not really. McGahee was a 1st rd draft pick and BUF didnt have a RBBC. Id say those 2 things alone are massive differences in their situations since HWP was undrafted and PIT has a goalline specialist and a 3rd down specialist.


What does being a 1st round pick have anything to do with it? Are you saying you have to be a first round pick to be a good back? Both of these things you bring up are not even really the point. The point is that both RB were competing with previous starting backs. Just like McGahee, FWP will probably take away the starting spot from the previous starter and will remain the starter. I am not going to go into much more since this issue has been beat to death already several times over. All we can do is wait and see and then say I told you so.


yes - as a general rule, the higher the draft pick, the more gifted that player is - that is as long as you believe in that whole scouting nonsense. ;-D
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Postby Heavyg25 » Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:55 pm

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Cornbread Maxwell wrote:Not really. McGahee was a 1st rd draft pick and BUF didnt have a RBBC. Id say those 2 things alone are massive differences in their situations since HWP was undrafted and PIT has a goalline specialist and a 3rd down specialist.


What does being a 1st round pick have anything to do with it? Are you saying you have to be a first round pick to be a good back? Both of these things you bring up are not even really the point. The point is that both RB were competing with previous starting backs. Just like McGahee, FWP will probably take away the starting spot from the previous starter and will remain the starter. I am not going to go into much more since this issue has been beat to death already several times over. All we can do is wait and see and then say I told you so.


yes - as a general rule, the higher the draft pick, the more gifted that player is - that is as long as you believe in that whole scouting nonsense. ;-D


Well by definition they are EXPECTED to be the best players but if I remember correctly alot of the great players in the NFL didn't get drafted in the first round, or even in the second. Was McGahee really drafted in the first round? Wasn't he injured when he was drafted?
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Postby Flux » Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:16 pm

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Cornbread Maxwell wrote:
Heavyg25 wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:Not really. McGahee was a 1st rd draft pick and BUF didnt have a RBBC. Id say those 2 things alone are massive differences in their situations since HWP was undrafted and PIT has a goalline specialist and a 3rd down specialist.


What does being a 1st round pick have anything to do with it? Are you saying you have to be a first round pick to be a good back? Both of these things you bring up are not even really the point. The point is that both RB were competing with previous starting backs. Just like McGahee, FWP will probably take away the starting spot from the previous starter and will remain the starter. I am not going to go into much more since this issue has been beat to death already several times over. All we can do is wait and see and then say I told you so.


yes - as a general rule, the higher the draft pick, the more gifted that player is - that is as long as you believe in that whole scouting nonsense. ;-D


Well by definition they are EXPECTED to be the best players but if I remember correctly alot of the great players in the NFL didn't get drafted in the first round, or even in the second. Was McGahee really drafted in the first round? Wasn't he injured when he was drafted?


yes McGahee was a 1st round pick and yes he was injured


CBM, comeon man, using the "he wasnt a high draft pick" is a lame argument. You know youre reaching there :-b We all know that sometimes its about situation over skill. Priest who owned fantasy wasnt drafted at all either, so sometimes players in good situations can completely excel. PIT has a great o-line and are committed to the run. So Parker, still will get some decent amount of touches, and he still is the starter there.

Here is the latest news I found on him

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Running back Jerome Bettis returned to practice Wednesday for the first time since injuring his calf muscle in the third preseason game. "I think he's ready to go and certainly get a chance to get out there and get some work for the first time in a number of weeks," Steelers coach Bill Cowher told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "It's encouraging with that. We had Duce [Staley] out there so we're getting pretty much a lot of these guys healthy at that position and that's always a good thing."

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Cowher reiterated that Willie Parker, who leads the AFC with 327 rushing yards, will still be the starter when the Steelers return from the bye to face the Chargers on October 10.


Dont get me wrong though, I do agree that his value was probably highest after week 2, but its not totally improbable that he still get 20+ touches a game in such a run first offense.


And btw - I think it was this Parker thread....who knows there were a lot. I believe CBM you said that Dunn was a poor #2 RB last year, in fact, he was the 14th best, making him a pretty darn good #2
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Postby Kensat30 » Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:13 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:clearly - I mean of course the undrafted FWP is much much better than Staley - considering how he absolutely tore up such defensive juggernauts as HOU and TEN with literally no competition from Duce and Bettis - how can anyone think that isnt enough of a resume to jump to that conclusion?
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If you didnt already sell FWP, it will be too late this Sunday - his pricetag will drop tremendously.

To date FWP is the biggest example of Hype in the 2005 fantasy football season.


So Staley would have broken those long runs right?
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:29 pm

Kensat30 wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:clearly - I mean of course the undrafted FWP is much much better than Staley - considering how he absolutely tore up such defensive juggernauts as HOU and TEN with literally no competition from Duce and Bettis - how can anyone think that isnt enough of a resume to jump to that conclusion?
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If you didnt already sell FWP, it will be too late this Sunday - his pricetag will drop tremendously.

To date FWP is the biggest example of Hype in the 2005 fantasy football season.


So Staley would have broken those long runs right?


absolutely. :-)

Are you saying he wouldnt have?

Its amuzing to me that in the other thread you mentioned that Parker was obviously the better running back when compared to Staley because you watched him play. Again - are you referring to when he beat up on those two weak defenses? And whats the comparison then if Staley wasnt splitting carries?

Please pass the Hype.
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Postby The Lung » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:13 pm

I'm holding onto Willie Parker. Staley hasn't shown he can stay healthy any length of time. It's practically guaranteed that Parker is starting again by the end of the season.

Trust me, you'll want Parker when the Steelers take on Minnesota in week 15 and Cleveland in week 16, the fantasy playoffs.
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Postby Heavyg25 » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:42 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:
Kensat30 wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:clearly - I mean of course the undrafted FWP is much much better than Staley - considering how he absolutely tore up such defensive juggernauts as HOU and TEN with literally no competition from Duce and Bettis - how can anyone think that isnt enough of a resume to jump to that conclusion?
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If you didnt already sell FWP, it will be too late this Sunday - his pricetag will drop tremendously.

To date FWP is the biggest example of Hype in the 2005 fantasy football season.


So Staley would have broken those long runs right?


absolutely. :-)

Are you saying he wouldnt have?

Its amuzing to me that in the other thread you mentioned that Parker was obviously the better running back when compared to Staley because you watched him play. Again - are you referring to when he beat up on those two weak defenses? And whats the comparison then if Staley wasnt splitting carries?

Please pass the Hype.


Sometimes I think you just type this stuff just for the sake of arguement. You can't possibly believe that Staley has near the speed that Parker has. Alot of the long runs he has made were pure speed and if you think that Staley could do the same thing then you must be smoking crack.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:56 pm

Heavyg25 wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:
Kensat30 wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:clearly - I mean of course the undrafted FWP is much much better than Staley - considering how he absolutely tore up such defensive juggernauts as HOU and TEN with literally no competition from Duce and Bettis - how can anyone think that isnt enough of a resume to jump to that conclusion?
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If you didnt already sell FWP, it will be too late this Sunday - his pricetag will drop tremendously.

To date FWP is the biggest example of Hype in the 2005 fantasy football season.


So Staley would have broken those long runs right?


absolutely. :-)

Are you saying he wouldnt have?

Its amuzing to me that in the other thread you mentioned that Parker was obviously the better running back when compared to Staley because you watched him play. Again - are you referring to when he beat up on those two weak defenses? And whats the comparison then if Staley wasnt splitting carries?

Please pass the Hype.


Sometimes I think you just type this stuff just for the sake of arguement. You can't possibly believe that Staley has near the speed that Parker has. Alot of the long runs he has made were pure speed and if you think that Staley could do the same thing then you must be smoking crack.


True - and since Staley is a more complete back whos to say he wouldnt have broken a tackle or caught a pass that sprung him instead?

The whole thing that HWP is somehow a better RB than Staley is one of my big complaints. Knock Staley's injury history - fine - but say HWP is a better RB? What could that possibly be based on - 2 frickin games against 2 terrible run Ds. Thats my whole point - people are jumping to the conclusion that HWP is someohw the next greatest thing - that every single team and scout in the NFL somehow overlooked this kid and all of a sudden he's an awesome RB. No - he was a fortunate RB who was in the right place at the right time, and now that the primary ballcarriers are returning and PIT faces tougher competition he wont post nearly the numbers he did in the first two games.

Dont get me wrong - I am not saying HWP is a bad RB by any means - what Im saying is that the hype he has recieved in the fantasy community is way out of control and that his fantasy value will continue to fall just as it has since game 2 to now.
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Postby manzan » Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:28 pm

Yeah, Tennessee, the same horrible rush defense that limited JLew and Chester Taylor to a whopping 14 yards on 13 carries.
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