Come on... for the past 4 years, he has been seen as the model coach. No, it's been more than that. He has been an NFL Icon. A modern-day Lombardi, a king compared to Bill Walsh, and a genious at football. Had Vinateiri missed all the game-winning field goals he attempted this year, the Patriots would be 1-4. Now, I know that's a lot of what-if's, but I figured this could just as easily start up a worthy debate. So, was Belichick overrated or is this year's team underperforming?
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Don't be ridiculous. Teams go through valleys and they climb mountains. In this day and age it's a miracle any team can have successful back to back seasons, so what he's done is still quite impressive.
3 Superbowls in 4 years? What happened in 2003??????? They suck!
lol. ya he sucks... it's Vini who has made them champs.. not the whole team
with what the NFL did to the schedule this year for the Pats to make sure they don't repeat... of course they wont go 2-14 this year... doesn't mean they are out of it... even with there 84 injuries so far their still winning every other game
besides, even if Vinatieri had missed those field goals, the games would have been tied going into overtime. what makes you so sure the pats would have lost them?
Bennett4prez wrote:Had Vinateiri missed all the game-winning field goals he attempted this year, the Patriots would be 1-4.
I think he's a tad overrated, but the reasons you suggest for it are pretty silly.
I think he's done a good job in New England, but he's been blessed with very good personnel. You can say that he's been able to plug in a lot of mismatched pieces, but he's had a fantastic core. Before Brady stepped in, they weren't winning games, even with a quarterback in Bledsoe that had taken a team to a Super Bowl before. Their receiving core is very deep and talented, Dillon (when he's been there) is a top-notch running back, and his defense has consistently had Pro Bowlers.
If you look at the job he did in Cleveland, with a squad that wasn't far removed from the AFC championship game, it's clear he's not perfect, at the very least. That team was run into the ground by the time he left there. It wasn't all his fault, of course, but some of it was. He's improved since then, but his forte is still mainly defensive schemes, and he's needed the pieces and coaches around him to make the team as a whole work.
He's a very good coach. But I wouldn't call him a genius as most do. Unless he has all of a sudden becomew one in the past 4 years. The Patriots have a very deep team, with talent everywhere. What's his name, Scioli? Something like that. He can be credited with the Pats success just as much as Bill. But I don't think it's one person. I think it's about 60 people doing very well at what they do.
If I'm wrong, then Bill will win 80 % of his games for the rest of his career. If I'm right, we will see him "fall" back down to 60% winning percentage.
Don't get me wrong, he's a very good coach. Just not a genius. Therefore, overrated.
I doubt they miss the playoffs. At this point, that's all that matters.
How the Patriots play in the Playoffs determines whether this season is a success or failure. They have obviously set the bar high, so I would say anything short of playing in the superbowl will be viewed as a failure.
You can't say that just b/c the Pats are not undefeated at this point in the season that they are slipping. Bilichick is not overrated....To propose so is proposterous. He created the team culture and has recruited guys that fit his ideal profile. His system is awesome and he micromanages it...
So the Patriots largely owe their success to him and Kraft who does not interfere and lets Bill do his thing.
So he is not as innovative as a Bill Walsh or Enigmatic as a Lombardi, but football is about winning and his system fosters it, so the extent of Bilichicks greatness is yet to be determined, but he is indeed one of the greats based on what he has already done.
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Well, there are some who consider him absolutely infallible, so technically, you might be able to call him overrated on those grounds... He still more than deserves a spot in the Hall even if he never wins another game, though.
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by Bennett4prez » Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:52 pm 
He still more than deserves a spot in the Hall even if he never wins another game, though.
