I would like to apologize...

[George_Foreman]

Sure he doesn't do drugs...

Maybe that's his problem right there.

you think he shoudl take a page out or ricky's book?

[eaglesrule]

well people are certianly going to think "well, if he can't play for the eagles, who can he play for" I mean the organization is top-flight. So, he isn't happy on a loser, and he isn't ahppy on a winner? If he can't play for donovan, could he play for a brady, farve, manning? Other than that, he only has vick in terms of elite qb's, as no way the giants take him on, nor the rams or chargers.

he doesn't make much sense.

[SniperShot]

well people are certianly going to think "well, if he can't play for the eagles, who can he play for" I mean the organization is top-flight. So, he isn't happy on a loser, and he isn't ahppy on a winner? If he can't play for donovan, could he play for a brady, farve, manning? Other than that, he only has vick in terms of elite qb's, as no way the giants take him on, nor the rams or chargers.

he doesn't make much sense.

Very good point!! I thought once he got traded to the Eagles he would shut up. All his excuses when he was a 49er went out the window when he got traded to the Eagles a great team. Now he's crapping it up even more... I guess T.O can't be happy anywhere. He always needs more money, always needs more fame, can't keep his mouth shut and is never happy. Sheesh!

[josebach]

your logic, he shouldn't bitch if they paid him $2MM/year because he's still getting paid millions to, "play a game."

a) Randy Moss signed an 8-year, $75MM contract this year with $18MM guaranteed.
b) Terrell signed a 7-year, $48MM contract with $10MM guaranteed.
c) They're not getting paid to play a game. They're getting paid to keep themselves in peak physical condition 365 days a year. Think about that the next time you throw down a pizza.
d) There's plenty of people born with talent; there are few that put in the necessary time and effort to hone it so finely. You think that this is all he wakes up one morning like this? You, son, is ignorant.*
e) In any line of work, if you're willing to accept 25% less than someone at your level, simply because you make enough, you deserve to be underpaid (and really, it's potentially underpaid by 50% since the bonus is the only guaranteed money).

If it's such an unfair deal,
WHY DID HE SIGN THE CONTRACT???

Oh, and as far as Terrell Owens doing drugs... I really don't think he can afford to lose any more brain cells. I mean really... did he not know that he was being baited when he was asked about Michael Irvin's Brett Favre quote? I honestly believe the guy's main problem is that he's not too bright.

[Matthias]

If it's such an unfair deal,
WHY DID HE SIGN THE CONTRACT???

why? because his agent screwed up and left him with the 49ers and this was the compromise solution. also, let the franchise that has gone 12 months without releasing a player or forcing a renegotiation of a player's contract start to cast aspersions at terrell. or, if they didn't like the terms of the deal, then why did they sign the contract???

do i think terrell is a great guy? no. do i think that way too much gets made of him and his contract issues? yes.

[logan]

blaming the contract on his agent is just dumb. sure his agent screwed up filing for FA but he didn't get him that contract no matter what TO says. he was with tat guy his whole carrer and now all the sudden he doesn't believe in his ability? he was offered that contract and nothing more for one reason : His mouth. if he didn't run it he would be the highest paid WR in the league. his mouth wrote him that contract plain and simple.bashing your QB,orginization,players on your team and for all intense purposes the entire ravens orginizationas well as the NFL doesn't get you alot of faith or money.

[ampant]

then you're an idiot.

You are an A-hole

under your logic, he shouldn't bitch if they paid him $2MM/year because he's still getting paid millions to, "play a game."

That's correct. He is getting paid millions to play a game. As far as bitching goes, there are legitimate gripes (unsafe work environment, breach of contract, etc), and then there are stupid, whiny pissy complaints (like blasting his employer publicly for not celebrating his 100th TD catch, even though they did celebrate his 100th career TD (including rush TDs).

A) the Eagles never agreed to "celebrate" anything.
B) if you ever did that sort of thing in a normal work environment, you would be fired

a) Randy Moss signed an 8-year, $75MM contract this year with $18MM guaranteed.
b) Terrell signed a 7-year, $48MM contract with $10MM guaranteed.

Who gives a rat's anus? That has absolutely no bearing on this discussion. He is making way more than almost every other player at his position, despite all the baggage he brings to the table. Whether he should have negotiated a more lucrative deal, or whether the Raiders overpaid (Al Davis overpaid for Moss, he also used a #1 draft pick on a KICKER) has absolutely no bearing on this argument. . .
ESPECIALLY since he AGREED TO THE TERMS OF THE DEAL. So quit bitching that he isn't getting his due, just cause mabye 5 guys in the league are paid more than him. He accepted the contract.

There are plenty of players who played at his level, and were MORE instrumental in their respective offenses, who don't bitch like he does. It's called CLASS. Guys like Marshall Faulk and Jerry Rice had it, win or lose. TO has no idea what class is, because he lacks it utterly.

c) They're not getting paid to play a game. They're getting paid to keep themselves in peak physical condition 365 days a year.

No. They are paid to play a game, go to practice, and are prohibited from ingesting certain drugs. They don't keep themselves in peak physical condition 365 days a year, that's why they have training camp. They get paid more when they do well, so they are incentivized to maximize their performance by staying fit. If TO wanted to eat McDonald's every day, there is probably nothing in his contract that prevents him from doing so.

Think about that the next time you throw down a pizza.

I have never "thrown down" a pizza in my life. Mabye you have. And not "throwing down" a pizza can hardly be considered difficult or unreasonable for a guy making $7M a year. (I do it for free)

d) There's plenty of people born with talent; there are few that put in the necessary time and effort to hone it so finely. You think that this is all he wakes up one morning like this? You, son, is ignorant.*

Wrong again. There are plenty of people born with talent. There are also plenty of other players who put in just as much work as TO, but don't have the talent to play as well as he does. What separates TO is TALENT, not work.

e) In any line of work, if you're willing to accept 25% less than someone at your level, simply because you make enough, you deserve to be underpaid (and really, it's potentially underpaid by 50% since the bonus is the only guaranteed money).

Good. I am glad we both agree that he deserves to receive the amount stipulated in the contract HE ACCEPTED. Also, the contract was negotiated BEFORE Randy Moss was signed. If he wanted the ability to re-adjust his contract to current market value, he should have signed a 1 or 2 year deal. Instead, he signed what was, at the time, a very lucrative 7 year deal because he wanted long-term guaranteed money. You don't get to have it both ways, imbecile. You take the best offer you can get at the time. If you want to renegotiate next year, you don't agree to a 7 year term.

f) As Terrell pointed out in an interview once, he's never shot anybody; he's never been charged with drug possession; never charged with weapons possession; never had a DUI; never been charged with any sort of sexual assault. And he catches tons more flack than players who have. Mostly, he is villified for adding entertainment to the game (his contract crap aside).

Wow! What a stellar human being he is for not having shot somebody!!! What a good point!!! I stand corrected. Not.

That's like saying I am a good guy because I haven't eaten anybody. NOT doing stuff like that should be assumed. That's baseline humanity, dude. I haven't carjacked anybody, or blown up any buildings, so should I also not get any flack when I open my mouth and act like a jackass (as you have done in your post)? I don't really feel like handing out medals and citizenship awards to every guy who hasn't killed somebody while driving drunk, or who hasn't cheated on his wife.

* Intentional subject-verb disagreement to prove a point. Don't think you have a, "gotcha!"

This one was intentional.

You, son, is ignorant.*

But this one wasnt'

There's plenty of people born with talent

There ARE plenty of people . . . not "is" (as in the contraction "there's")

[eaglesrule]

It is almost laughable how some people interpret the "unfair NFL contract"

Now, before I start, I think that AS A COLLECTIVE, players have some beef with the franchises.

HOWEVER, the deal is this: Your signing bonsu and first year are basically the only guranteed things in this. After this, we can cut you with penalty, and you recoup the negotiated amounts of dollars.

There is nothing inherently unfair with the contract, as the terms are stated up front, they are legal, and they are not signed under real duress.

In other words -- you perform ANd don't get hurt, you get the contract, unless we don't need the cap space. The thing the players understand is that the singing bonus is the "guranteed" part.


Ultimately, the point is this: Every party involved knows full well that a cut can happen. The team wants to have it as such that when said cut happens (or trade), the hit is minimized, whereas the player wants a big hit, as it is both a disinentive and it usuaully means they get money in bonus etc. This is not some arcane thing where the devil is trying to pull the fleece over everyone's eyes. The teams benefit as they can tweak cap space, the player benefits in the form of signing bonus, the agent benefits in that the contracts appear large, and thus attract more talent.

Only the ignorant ones like Owens fail to grasp this. yes, he is "underpaid" THIS year. But that isn't how it works. next year with bonus, if he behaved, he would have gotten 12 million. Reid had said (and the fans NEVEr would tolerate) him not being signed if he behaved, especially relative to their cap space. So is he "underpaid" then? No, this is the year they needed cap sapce, presumably for westbrook. Every time he opens his mouth, he is undermining westbrook -- who did this the right way so to speak.

[newyorkFFaddict]

it has come to my attention ...

[Matthias]

ampant--and I only say this because I care--they have decaffeinated brands now that taste just as good as regular.