maddog60 wrote:The bottomline is that White has done absolutely nothing to distinguish himself amongst the rookie WRs that have seen playing time this year, so there isn't a basis upon which to claim he could be the best.
. OK counselor, my basis is playing time.
What do you mean by that? I assume you mean he's done the most with the short time he's had. But that wouldn't make sense, because if you look at his game logs, he hasn't missed a single game, he's started 3, but he played in all 10 games of the season. Yet, Matt Jones has played in all 10 games, but only started 1 game, and his numbers dwarf White's, with comparable playing time, less actually with 2 less starts.
Wizzle wrote:IMO he's better than Jerry Rice ever was.
You're an idiot.
The guy might be correct. This was a weak ass WR draft. Who else is the best WR so far? A QB playing WR? He's produced the most.
White has been hurt, and he is probably a better WR then Jones (both of them). Edwards hasn't done much, but he's also been hurt. But we don't have to go too far back to find a top 10 WR who is a bust *cough* Rogers *cough*.
Wow, chill out on the guy, It was obviously intended to be a joke. Lighten up a bit man
maddog60 wrote:What do you mean by that? I assume you mean he's done the most with the short time he's had. But that wouldn't make sense, because if you look at his game logs, he hasn't missed a single game, he's started 3, but he played in all 10 games of the season. Yet, Matt Jones has played in all 10 games, but only started 1 game, and his numbers dwarf White's, with comparable playing time, less actually with 2 less starts.
Now your being silly. Roddy White missed the first 3 games. Jones has played in 9 games to White's 7, and has had more time on the field and more opportunities. Jacksonville has used Matt Jones in their offense more than Atlanta has used Roddy White. Jones's numbers hardly "dwarf" White's.
The two rookies have each have had one excellent game.
Wizzle wrote:IMO he's better than Jerry Rice ever was.
You're an idiot.
The guy might be correct. This was a weak ass WR draft. Who else is the best WR so far? A QB playing WR? He's produced the most.
White has been hurt, and he is probably a better WR then Jones (both of them). Edwards hasn't done much, but he's also been hurt. But we don't have to go too far back to find a top 10 WR who is a bust *cough* Rogers *cough*.
White has - 14 receptions for 224 yards and 1 TD
Some other WRs:
Matt Jones - 27 rec, 331 yards, 4 TDs Mike Williams - 19 rec, 224 yards, 1 TD Braylon Edwards - 23 rec, 384 yards, 1 TD Reggie Brown - 20 rec, 305 yards, 2 TDs Troy Williamson - 20 rec, 292 yards, 2 TDs Brandon Jones - 22 rec, 295 yards, 2 TDs Chris Henry - 22 rec, 290 yards, 4 TDs Mark Clayton - 18 rec, 141 yards, 0 TDs
Considering how Braylon Edwards was the NFL's consensus top WR and he's got at worst the 2nd best stat line amongst all rookie WRs, White hasn't done anything to even put him in cosideration against Edwards. Right now, its got to be either Matt Jones or Braylon Edwards, not just because of their stats, but also because of their incredible physical abilities.
The bottomline is that White has done absolutely nothing to distinguish himself amongst the rookie WRs that have seen playing time this year, so there isn't a basis upon which to claim he could be the best.
Carlos Rogers / Andre Johnson were the consensus top WRs in thier draft, how far did that get him? Boldin was taken in the 2nd round and has had 10x the success.
And next time read my post. Seeing as I *mentioned* Matt Jones, I'm aware of his stats. And saying that the best WR of this draft is a QB converted to WR, is pushing it a bit.
"so there isn't a basis upon which to claim he could be the best."
Do you even read the junk you post? Isn't enough, to claim he CLOULD BE. *lol* So basically, we shouldn't post ANYTHING about ANYONE unless they've been in the league 5+ years.
Bottom line is, Edwards hasn't been that impressive, Matt Jones is a QB, and in limited action Roddy White has shown some flashes of what got him taken in the 1st round. I never said anyone was clear cut anything. I also said this was a weak ass WR crop. But if you're going to talk the best WR emerging, and you're picking a group of 3-4, White has to be in the mix. Matt Jones, Edwards, Williams and White are probably my 4.
Anyway like I said, White *COULD BE* the best WR to emerge. The point was it wasn't such a silly notion, as some of the people who reponded seem to think.
maddog60 wrote:What do you mean by that? I assume you mean he's done the most with the short time he's had. But that wouldn't make sense, because if you look at his game logs, he hasn't missed a single game, he's started 3, but he played in all 10 games of the season. Yet, Matt Jones has played in all 10 games, but only started 1 game, and his numbers dwarf White's, with comparable playing time, less actually with 2 less starts.
Now your being silly. Roddy White missed the first 3 games. Jones has played in 9 games to White's 7, and has had more time on the field and more opportunities. Jacksonville has used Matt Jones in their offense more than Atlanta has used Roddy White. Jones's numbers hardly "dwarf" White's. The two rookies have each have had one excellent game.
On the contrary, according to NFL.com, White has not missed a single game, nor has Jones. He was just didn't catch anything the first few weeks.
toofunny wrote:And next time read my post. Seeing as I *mentioned* Matt Jones, I'm aware of his stats. And saying that the best WR of this draft is a QB converted to WR, is pushing it a bit.
I read your post. I posted Matt Jones's stats for completeness, as he has been one of the best performing WRs this year, as it would be illogical to compare White to all of the top drafted WRs and performing rookie WRs from this year and exclude any of them, whether you posted about him or not.
"so there isn't a basis upon which to claim he could be the best."
Do you even read the junk you post? Isn't enough, to claim he CLOULD BE. *lol* So basically, we shouldn't post ANYTHING about ANYONE unless they've been in the league 5+ years.
Ok, first, you need to take a chill pill. You don't need to get defensive because someone disagrees with you, and start making personal remarks instead of sticking to the issue otherwise you're going be very miserable posting here.
Secondly, my point was, that saying he could be is kinda meaningless at this point. I mean he hasn't done anything to lend support to that, so you might as well post saying Jerome Mathis, or any rookie WR could be the best. Obviously, you've seen something that makes you think he could be the best, but I don't think you're communicating that to everyone. One big game does not make a guy the best rookie WR. It would be one thing if his stats were lower, but he had a higher yards per catch, or a higher catch vs. thrown at ratio.
Basically, right now no information has been provided right now to make it seem like picking Roddy White to be the most successful rookie WR would be any better than drawing a name out of a hat randomly. Maybe instead of getting defensive you'd provide some support for your claim.
Bottom line is, Edwards hasn't been that impressive, Matt Jones is a QB, and in limited action Roddy White has shown some flashes of what got him taken in the 1st round.
Edwards hasn't ben impressive? He's only played 8 games, and he's the rookie WR yardage leader. He's also averaging more receptions per game than any rookie WR. He was billed as the best WR in this past year's draft class, and he's leading in major categories amongst his peers. What about that isn't impressive?
Matt Jones was a QB. He's a WR now, and if anything, he's making the transition better than most people would've dared suspect. Why should what he played at college matter if he's succeeding at WR where he's playing in the NFL?
I never said anyone was clear cut anything. I also said this was a weak ass WR crop. But if you're going to talk the best WR emerging, and you're picking a group of 3-4, White has to be in the mix. Matt Jones, Edwards, Williams and White are probably my 4.
White doesn't have to be in the mix. Chris Henry could easily replace him. Reggie Brown and Brandon Jones could be argued to take his spot in that top 4 as well.
Personally, I don't think this was that much of a weak WR crop as it seems that way because the previous year was one of the best if not the best.
maddog60 wrote:On the contrary, according to NFL.com, White has not missed a single game, nor has Jones. He was just didn't catch anything the first few weeks.
maddog60 wrote:What do you mean by that? I assume you mean he's done the most with the short time he's had. But that wouldn't make sense, because if you look at his game logs, he hasn't missed a single game, he's started 3, but he played in all 10 games of the season. Yet, Matt Jones has played in all 10 games, but only started 1 game, and his numbers dwarf White's, with comparable playing time, less actually with 2 less starts.
Now your being silly. Roddy White missed the first 3 games. Jones has played in 9 games to White's 7, and has had more time on the field and more opportunities. Jacksonville has used Matt Jones in their offense more than Atlanta has used Roddy White. Jones's numbers hardly "dwarf" White's. The two rookies have each have had one excellent game.
On the contrary, according to NFL.com, White has not missed a single game, nor has Jones. He was just didn't catch anything the first few weeks.
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