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Postby lmcjaho » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:37 am

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:You could be right about me nitpicking - but it is just a big pet peeve of mine when people cross statistics to prove talent absent of situation - they simply do not measure talent exclusively.

Take what you wrote above - I would completely agree with everything you wrote - except for the last part. How do we judge if Warner is good, bad or great? I dont really have a good answer since I dont believe statistics measure ability all that well at all.

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Its all about judging players - if you cannot seperate skill and ability from the situation, then you begin to make bad decisions regarding that player's ability. Using common statistic to begin an assesment of a player's talent level already starts you off on the wrong foot and creates myths. Do you understand what I am saying?


Okay CBM - so short of getting a time machine or a magic genie how do you propose we compare players if we can't use stats because they're "biased" by the situations?!

I already posted stats from the averages of other QBs in similar "situations" (other teams that passed for over 30 times a game on average) but that apparently is still no good to you, so short of bending the rules of reality and sticking each of the 32 starting QBs in a rotation that puts them on each of the 32 teams for a season to compare how they do against one another, what basis do we have for judgement other than the all-mighty CBM's opinion?

CBM wrote:You really are missing the point.

I never pretended or claimed to not be biased. I cannot stand Mrs. Warner's Husband - he's a douche. Is that an opinion? Can any opinion not be biased?


No, I didn't miss the point - you did. My point was that you don't have to like the guy, but saying he sucks is completely wrong and there is no way to defend the statement.

I hate the Seahawks myself, but there is no logical way I can contend they suck and not look like an idiot...

Kensat30 wrote:Can we all agree that Warner would have been better than Harrington at least?


Those of us that can use the logical sides of our brains can at least...
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Postby dream_017 » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:06 am

lmcjaho wrote:
Kensat30 wrote:Can we all agree that Warner would have been better than Harrington at least?


Those of us that can use the logical sides of our brains can at least...


What about the ones that said Garcia would be better than Joey, nice try lmcjaho
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:48 pm

lmcjaho wrote:Okay CBM - so short of getting a time machine or a magic genie how do you propose we compare players if we can't use stats because they're "biased" by the situations?!


You cant. Deal with it. You simply cannot use common statistics to compare players who were in different situations. As I stated above - the absolute best way to judge a players talent level is simply to watch him play week in and week out. Dont bother looking at statistics derived from a situation in order to make a statement about that player's ability or talent.


As for Warner sucking - my OPINION stems from such issues as his me-first character and terrible injury history.

Would the decrepit one have been as good or better than Joey in DET in 2006? Lots of different ways to answer that. I guess I would say that he would have been better in the games he was healthy for. But since "better" can be defined as value and overall utility to the organization - not just the gameday performance, my guess is that it would have been pretty close - especially since Joey will probably restructure his contract so he'll be paid less than Warner, Joey is obviously much more durable, and he doesnt have a history of being a cancer off the field like Warner.
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