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Postby proKrastinate » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:26 pm

I picked this up off the niner message boards. It could explain a lot in terms of why the niners are holding back from making a huge splash in FA. Although I tend to value a veteran more than a draft pick because you know to some degree how that player plays in the nfl, I can definately see and understand this if indeed Nolan is holding back for this case. A draft pick can = anything you need to fill a hole whereas the FA pool could be lacking in your holes as a team.

This also might help others in determining why/if their own teams seem to be letting players slip away and not resigning anyone. What d you guys think? Either way I thought it was an interesting read.

ninersfuture wrote:Based individually, Peterson's contract would garner a 3rd comp pick next year and Carter would provide a 4th rounder. However, comp pick allocations by the NFL are not made in a vacuum, but are part of a larger formula that looks at the net loss of true unrestricted free agents; players that are released by the former team are not part of the formula or 90% of the players that end up with contracts worth only the minimum salary. The lone exceptions appear to be players with 10+ years in the league and the highest minimum salary.



Here is the 49ers current comp pick balance sheet for 2007:

Comp losses

J. Peterson - $7.7 million average per year would result in as high as a 3rd round comp pick; which is the highest possible comp pick.

A. Carter - $5 million average per year would result in as high as a 4th round comp pick.


Comp gains

A. Bryant - $3.8 million average per year.


At this point Carter and Bryant would cancel each other out and Peterson would result in a 3rd round comp pick next year, 2007. However, if we sign one more true UFA, not released by the former team, for anything more that about $800k per year then the 3rd round pick would become a 7th round pick or nothing at all. And if we sign two more true UFAs the 49ers would definately get nothing.

Walt Harris would not be included in the formula because he was released by the Redskins and Gilmore would not either because he was signed for a low base salary.

If it is important to the 49ers to preserve the 3rd round comp pick next year, the 49ers can only sign players that have been released by their former teams recently and therefore are not true UFAs for purposes of the comp pick formula.

What the 49ers would like to have happen is for other teams to sign our current true UFAs for more than the minimum, with the possible exception of Travis Hall who is a 10-year vet who would likely qualify with a simply minimum salary contract all by itself. Here are the 49ers true unsigned UFAs at the moment:

TE T. Jones
TE/FB S. Bush
LB S. Rasheed
DE T. Hall
FB F. Beasley
OT A. Clement
S M. Anderson

It is possible for the 49ers to get both a 3rd for Peterson and a 4th for Carter next year provided we lose at least two more true UFAs than we sign.

I have listed most of the recently released players from other teams at the bottom. These players are not true UFAs and would not be included in the comp pick formula. Also, resigning current 49ers does not count in the formula and RFAs are never included.



This is taken from AdamJT13 recent post, below, which discusses comp picks for this year. Adam is considered by most to be the most knowledgeable person regarding comp picks on the internet:

"As the NFL explains, compensatory picks are awarded to teams that lose more or better compensatory free agents than they acquire. The number of picks a team can receive equals the net loss of compensatory free agents, up to a maximum of four. Compensatory free agents are determined by a secret formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. Not every free agent lost or signed is covered by the formula.

Although the formula has never been revealed, by studying the compensatory picks that have been awarded since they began in 1993, I’ve determined that the primary factor in the value of the picks awarded is the average annual value of the contract the player signed with his new team, with small adjustments for playing time and postseason honors. A simple method of determining for which qualifying free agents a team will be compensated is this -- for every player signed, cancel out a lost player of similar value. For example, if a team signs one qualifying player for $2 million per season and loses two qualifying players, one who got $1.8 million per season and one who got $4 million per season, the team will be compensated for the $4 million player.

It is possible for a team to get a compensatory pick even if it doesn’t suffer a net loss of qualifying free agents, although those type of comp picks come at the end of the seventh round,
after the normal comp picks and before the non-compensatory picks that are added if fewer than 32 comp picks are awarded. There have been eight of these type of comp picks awarded, and in each case, the combined value of the free agents lost was significantly higher than the combined value of the free agents signed. In all eight cases, those teams lost the same number of qualifying free agents as they signed. No team has ever been awarded a comp pick after signing more qualifying free agents than they lost, no matter how significant the difference in combined value.

...In order to qualify for the comp equation, a player must have been a true Unrestricted Free Agent whose contract had expired or was voided after the previous season (i.e., he cannot have been released by his old team); he must sign during the UFA signing period (which ended on July 22 last year); if he signs after June 1, he must have been tendered a June 1 qualifying offer by his old team; he must sign for at least a certain amount of money per season; and he cannot have been permanently released by his new team before a certain point in the season (which seems to be after Week 10) or, possibly, before getting a certain amount of playing time, unless he was claimed off waivers by another team.

Last year, the lowest-paid player who qualified for the NFL’s comp equation was Bobby Hamilton, who signed for $685,000 per season and started 15 games."

http://www.kffl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163280

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DT Brandon Noble Redskins 66
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DT Josh Williams Colts 64
DE Gary Stills Chiefs 64
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Postby VaderFin » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:35 pm

Everyone hopes they get compensation picks....no good team isn't going to sign someone because they want to get a compensation pick. :-t
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Postby mattb47 » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:48 pm

Yea, I think you go after FAs that will improve your team over sitting and waiting so you get a 3rd round pick.....if that's what they're doing then I think they need some new management.
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Postby maddog60 » Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:18 pm

Mind you these 3rd rounders are after the 32nd 3rd round pick. They're really early 4th rounders. Not something to be concerned about over signing quality FAs.
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Postby Mercer Boy » Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:06 pm

maddog60 wrote:Mind you these 3rd rounders are after the 32nd 3rd round pick. They're really early 4th rounders. Not something to be concerned about over signing quality FAs.


Seems to me the Niners are being cheap. That's not cool since like I said the other day...I don't want the 49ers to become the Pirates and Penguins. That's what they do; sign crappy talent while people still come to the games, and the owners reap all the benefits without fielding a "legitimate" team. :-t
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Postby VaderFin » Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:06 pm

Not to mention every team thinks they are going to get this pick or that and it doesn't always come true.
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Postby mysticphysh » Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:10 pm

Let's hope they don't blow their 3rd round comp pick like denver did last year :-b
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Postby mysticphysh » Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:12 pm

Mercer Boy wrote:
maddog60 wrote:Mind you these 3rd rounders are after the 32nd 3rd round pick. They're really early 4th rounders. Not something to be concerned about over signing quality FAs.


Seems to me the Niners are being cheap. That's not cool since like I said the other day...I don't want the 49ers to become the Pirates and Penguins. That's what they do; sign crappy talent while people still come to the games, and the owners reap all the benefits without fielding a "legitimate" team. :-t


I don't follow hockey, so I don't know about the Penguins, but the Pirates groom good talent and draft pretty well...they just can't afford to keep players. Every year, they whole sale their good players becuase they can't afford it, not because they're cheap.
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Postby TruNinerFan » Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:27 pm

The Niners need new ownership. John York has to go.
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Postby BrutallyHuge » Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:30 pm

That guy who posted that has a lot of time on his hands.
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