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Postby knapplc » Wed May 10, 2006 9:15 pm

WASHINGTON - Scientists, inventors and entrepreneurs will be able to vie for a grand prize of $10 million, and smaller prizes reaching millions of dollars, under House-passed legislation to encourage research into hydrogen as an alternative fuel.

Legislation creating the "H-Prize," modeled after the privately funded Ansari X Prize that resulted last year in the first privately developed manned rocket to reach space twice, passed the House Wednesday on a 416-6 vote. A companion bill is to be introduced in the Senate this week.

"This is an opportunity for a triple play," said bill sponsor Rep. Bob Inglis, R-S.C., citing benefits to national security from reduced dependence on foreign oil, cleaner air from burning pollution-free hydrogen and new jobs. "If we can reinvent the car, imagine the jobs we can create."

"Perhaps the greatest role that the H-Prize may serve is in spurring the imagination of our most valuable resource, our youth," said co-sponsor Rep. Dan Lipinski, D-Ill.

The measure would award four prizes of up to $1 million every other year for technological advances in hydrogen production, storage, distribution and utilization. One prize of up to $4 million would be awarded every second year for the creation of a working hydrogen vehicle prototype.

The grand prize, to be awarded within the next 10 years, would go for breakthrough technology.

"Prizes can draw out new ideas from scientists and engineers who may not be willing or able to participate in traditional government research and development programs, while encouraging them, rather than the taxpayer, to assume the risk," said Science Committee Chairman Sherwood Boehlert, R-N.Y.

Inglis said the Department of Energy would put together a private foundation to set up guidelines and requirements for the prizes. Anyone can participate, as long as the research is performed in the United States and the person, if employed by the government or a national lab, does the research on his own time.

He said the prize would not take away funds from any federal hydrogen programs, including the $1.7 billion hydrogen research program that President Bush first detailed in 2003.

The Energy Department announced earlier this year that it would provide $119 million in funding for research into hydrogen fuel cells, including $100 million over the next four years to projects to improve components of fuel cell systems.

Several automakers have made advances in hydrogen fuel cell technology or dual gas-hydrogen engines, but such vehicles are still very expensive and there's no viable infrastructure of fueling stations.


I've been screaming for this since they announced the X-Prize. All I can say is, they (our government) had better not mess this up, AND this had better not be some red herring effort at a technology that they've already researched enough to know that it's not viable. If this is some way to "prove" to the public that we need to be dependent on oil, I think we had better start thinking of starting up a new revolution.

We need to get off of oil by yesterday. 8-o
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Postby Tiki » Wed May 10, 2006 9:42 pm

HOORAH! ;-D I think we should also do more research into biomass.
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Thu May 11, 2006 7:27 am

This sounds like a great idea, but I was thinking something similar to your thoughts Knapp. I can see it getting screwed up and not amounting to much. Hope it works out though, it has the potential to be awesome.
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Postby dream_017 » Thu May 11, 2006 7:34 am

Good start ;-D
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Postby Mercer Boy » Thu May 11, 2006 7:58 am

Nice...that would be sweet if they could solve the fuel issue with hydrogen somehow.

Of course, if you have to spend like $20 million to figure it out and you only get $10 million back, that would suck. :-P Better hope for a Nobel Prize in that case. :-)
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Postby umma10 » Thu May 11, 2006 8:54 am

I am an engineer for probably the biggest fuel cell company in the United States...That article is somewhat true but here is the real facts...Fuel Cell's are expensive but so were computers when the general public were introduced to it. We need power plants to generate this hydrogen and pump it to the gas/hydrogen stations. You will only need one station per town and the only downfall is Americans do not want power plants in their area..NIMBA (Not In My Back Yard)..1 gallon of gas = 1 kg of hydrogen and a fuel cell car in 2007 will be approx. 40-60 kg per mile and this would be a SUV. Why an SUV, because we americans want big and luxurious vehicles. Well 1kg of hydrogen will cost around 2.75-3.25. Everyone writes about Bush spending 1.3 billion dollars since 2003. Go find out how much money Bush spends on the war in Iraq every day...you will be astounded.

If you have time check this site out I posted it in another thread but it is a great article, it's a bit of a read.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
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Postby jayday » Thu May 11, 2006 10:39 am

I can't see $10 million even touching the amount that will be needed for research....That's pennies compared to what it's gonna take....but I agree we need to get off of oil...Now!

umma10 wrote:1 gallon of gas = 1 kg of hydrogen and a fuel cell car in 2007 will be approx. 40-60 kg per mile and this would be a SUV. Why an SUV, because we americans want big and luxurious vehicles. Well 1kg of hydrogen will cost around 2.75-3.25.

You're saying that a vehicle will need an average of 50 kg of hydrogen fuel, at an average price of $3.00, to go ONE MILE 8-o That's $150 per mile...Can't be right....

There has to be a typo in there somewhere, or I am reading it wrong :-P
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Postby umma10 » Thu May 11, 2006 10:41 am

Yes I do apologize...40-60 kg per mile..
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Postby jayday » Thu May 11, 2006 10:49 am

umma10 wrote:Yes I do apologize...40-60 kg per mile..

No, 40-60 miles per kg right? :-b
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Postby umma10 » Thu May 11, 2006 10:58 am

yes 40-60 miles per kg... ;-D
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