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Postby BronXBombers51 » Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:00 pm

Alright, I did this over at the Baseball Cafe during Spring Training and I really got alot of positive feedback from it.

Unfortunately, I was alot more in-tune with baseball then, and had a better grasp for how much I should value certain players. Football season snuck up on me, and I'm kind of scrambling to get my things together for the big draft. Below you'll find my list of the top 35 Quarterbacks for the 2006 season, and the top 40 Running Backs.

My league awards .5 points per reception, so please take that into consideration when critiquing my cheatsheet.....and I have a feeling it needs alot of critiquing.

I used the FootballGuys.com spreadsheet tool to come up with my rankings. I have projections for each player listed, so if you have any questions on how or what I projected for a certain player, feel free to ask.

**These rankings have since been updated. Please check lower in the thread to view the updated rankings. Thank you.*

2006 Quarterbacks:
1. Peyton Manning - 264
2. Carson Palmer - 241
3. Tom Brady - 238
4. Matt Hasselbeck - 234
5. Donovan McNabb - 226
6. Eli Manning - 222
7. Drew Bledsoe - 221
8. Marc Bulger - 220
9. Daunte Culpepper - 219
10. Trent Green - 218
11. Jake Delhomme - 215
12. Jake Plummer - 213
13. Michael Vick - 213
14. Ben Roethlisberger - 199
15. Kurt Warner - 197
16. Aaron Brooks - 196
17. Drew Brees - 194
18. Brett Favre - 189
19. Steve McNair - 188
20. Byron Leftwich - 185
21. David Carr - 185
22. Philip Rivers - 180
23. Chris Simms - 179
24. Jon Kitna - 179
25. Brad Johnson - 175
26. Mark Brunell - 170
27. Billy Volek - 170
28. Charlie Frye - 154
29. Rex Grossman - 137
30. Alex Smith - 123
31. Chad Pennington - 108
32. Kelly Holcomb - 93
33. Vince Young - 70
34. JP Losman - 70
35. Matt Leinart - 57


...and the running back ranks...

2006 Running Backs:
1. Larry Johnson - 380
2. LaDainian Tomlinson - 351
3. Shaun Alexander - 323
4. Tiki Barber - 287
5. Clinton Portis - 278
6. Steven Jackson - 269
7. Edgerrin James - 262
8. LaMont Jordan - 257
9. Ronnie Brown - 247
10. Rudi Johnson - 236
11. Brian Westbrook - 224
12. Carnell Williams - 221
13. Domanick Davis - 219
14. Willis McGahee - 215
15. Julius Jones - 213
16. Warrick Dunn - 207
17. Kevin Jones - 207
18. Reuben Droughns - 202
19. Jamal Lewis - 201
20. Willie Parker - 201
21. Tatum Bell - 199
22. Deshaun Foster - 189
23. Chester Taylor - 181
24. Corey Dillon - 173
25. Reggie Bush - 173
26. Joseph Addai - 168
27. Thomas Jones - 166
28. Fred Taylor - 159
29. Chris Brown - 156
30. Ahman Green - 155
31. Deuce McAllister - 138
32. Curtis Martin - 129
33. Cedric Benson - 128
34. Frank Gore - 125
35. Mewelde Moore - 125
36. Ron Dayne - 121
37. Dominic Rhodes - 121
38. Kevan Barlow - 120
39. Mike Anderson - 118
40. Samkon Gado - 112


I'm guessing these need alot of work. As I said, I only really started getting back into football throughout the past week. Don't feel bad, rip into them. I need to get these ranks into shape as soon as possible.

Remember to ask to see any specific projection numbers. Thanks. ;-D
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Re: BB51 Rankings 2k6: QB/RB

Postby suppasonic » Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:21 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:I used the FootballGuys.com spreadsheet tool to come up with my rankings. I have projections for each player listed, so if you have any questions on how or what I projected for a certain player, feel free to ask.

2006 Quarterbacks:
1. Peyton Manning - 264
2. Carson Palmer - 241
3. Tom Brady - 238
4. Matt Hasselbeck - 234
5. Donovan McNabb - 226 :-t
6. Eli Manning - 222
7. Drew Bledsoe - 221
8. Marc Bulger - 220
9. Daunte Culpepper - 219
10. Trent Green - 218
11. Jake Delhomme - 215
12. Jake Plummer - 213
13. Michael Vick - 213
14. Ben Roethlisberger - 199
15. Kurt Warner - 197
16. Aaron Brooks - 196
17. Drew Brees - 194
18. Brett Favre - 189
19. Steve McNair - 188
20. Byron Leftwich - 185
21. David Carr - 185
22. Philip Rivers - 180
23. Chris Simms - 179
24. Jon Kitna - 179
25. Brad Johnson - 175
26. Mark Brunell - 170
27. Billy Volek - 170 ;-D
28. Charlie Frye - 154
29. Rex Grossman - 137
30. Alex Smith - 123
31. Chad Pennington - 108
32. Kelly Holcomb - 93
33. Vince Young - 70
34. JP Losman - 70
35. Matt Leinart - 57


...and the running back ranks...

2006 Running Backs:
1. Larry Johnson - 380
2. LaDainian Tomlinson - 351
3. Shaun Alexander - 323
4. Tiki Barber - 287 :-t one spot
5. Clinton Portis - 278 ;-D
6. Steven Jackson - 269
7. Edgerrin James - 262 :-t
8. LaMont Jordan - 257
9. Ronnie Brown - 247
10. Rudi Johnson - 236
11. Brian Westbrook - 224 :-t
12. Carnell Williams - 221
13. Domanick Davis - 219
14. Willis McGahee - 215
15. Julius Jones - 213 :-t
16. Warrick Dunn - 207
17. Kevin Jones - 207
18. Reuben Droughns - 202
19. Jamal Lewis - 201
20. Willie Parker - 201 ;-D
21. Tatum Bell - 199 :-t :-t
22. Deshaun Foster - 189
23. Chester Taylor - 181 ;-D
24. Corey Dillon - 173
25. Reggie Bush - 173
26. Joseph Addai - 168 :-t
27. Thomas Jones - 166
28. Fred Taylor - 159
29. Chris Brown - 156
30. Ahman Green - 155
31. Deuce McAllister - 138
32. Curtis Martin - 129
33. Cedric Benson - 128 ;-D
34. Frank Gore - 125
35. Mewelde Moore - 125
36. Ron Dayne - 121 ;-D ;-D
37. Dominic Rhodes - 121
38. Kevan Barlow - 120
39. Mike Anderson - 118
40. Samkon Gado - 112




Right now you have Duece and Bush adding up for more than everyone but the top two. I really dont see that happening.
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Postby bagobonez » Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:23 pm

PRetty solid. I agree with it for the most part. There are a few players I'd rank a little higher or lower, but pretty good.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:32 pm

suppasonic, my league awards .5 per reception, which is why Tiki is above Portis, and probably why Westbrook is ranked where he is as well.

Or do you still think they're too high?

I also was wondering what type of years you expect from Edge and Julius and how far you think they should be moved down.

Thanks for the feedback though. ;-D If anyone else would like to chime in, I would greatly appreciate it.
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Postby biju » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:45 pm

My thoughts on QBs:
- Eli Manning: Not sold on him at all and I think he'll be down about 2 or 3 spots. Probably switch with Culpepper
- If the Rams can keep teams from getting to Bulger he'll be in the top 5.
- Assuming a healthy season Warner is too low. He might be just right given the risk though
- Brett Favre is too low IMO
- Delhomme too high IMO

RBs:
- First 6 is probably about as good as it needs
- Edge too high
- Jordan too high if only .5 PPR
- Move Rudi up
- Westbrook down
- I'd probably move Jamal Lewis up into top 15 at least
- Tatum Bell isn't going to start, move him down
- Dayne too low
- Bush too high IMO
- Assuming a healthy year Fred Taylor is too low. Risk assessment might still put him about in the Chester Taylor range for me though.
- The Rhodes/Addai thing is only if Addai wins the starting job outright. Otherwise these could easily be switched.
- Same with the Thomas Jones/Benson thing except when one of these guys wins the starting job they should be moved into the top 15 around or above DD.
- If Ahman Green is healthy he'll produce well, but the thigh thing must be kept in check otherwise he may not even start

Anyway, this is just at a quick casual glance. It's tough since all of my leagues are 1 ppr so it skews my thoughts a little. High reception backs like Jordan and Westbrook get moved down considerably since a large number of their points come from receptions in my league.

Anyway, I'm even re-thinking some of my thoughts now but I'll leave it for discussion if people are interested.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:01 pm

Alright, I messed around a bit with my rankings.

I tried alot of things, but due to the PPR, I couldn't finagle my numbers around enough to move LaMont Jordan down much farther. Here's what I've got so far...

2006 Quarterbacks:
1. Peyton Manning - 264
2. Carson Palmer - 241
3. Tom Brady - 238
4. Matt Hasselbeck - 234
5. Donovan McNabb - 225
6. Marc Bulger - 225
7. Daunte Culpepper - 223
8. Drew Bledsoe - 221
9. Eli Manning - 219
10. Trent Green - 218
11. Jake Plummer - 213
12. Michael Vick - 213
13. Jake Delhomme - 212
14. Kurt Warner - 203
15. Ben Roethlisberger - 199
16. Aaron Brooks - 196
17. Brett Favre - 195
18. Drew Brees - 194
19. Steve McNair - 188
20. Byron Leftwich - 185
21. David Carr - 185
22. Billy Volek - 184
23. Philip Rivers - 180
24. Chris Simms - 179
25. Jon Kitna - 179
26. Brad Johnson - 175
27. Mark Brunell - 170
28. Charlie Frye - 154
29. Rex Grossman - 137
30. Alex Smith - 123
31. Chad Pennington - 108
32. Kelly Holcomb - 93
33. Vince Young - 70
34. JP Losman - 70
35. Matt Leinart - 57


2006 Running Backs:
1. Larry Johnson - 380
2. LaDainian Tomlinson - 351
3. Shaun Alexander - 323
4. Tiki Barber - 287
5. Clinton Portis - 278
6. Steven Jackson - 269
7. LaMont Jordan - 245
8. Ronnie Brown - 240
9. Rudi Johnson - 237
10. Edgerrin James - 236
11. Carnell Williams - 222
12. Domanick Davis - 217
13. Willis McGahee - 215
14. Brian Westbrook - 214
15. Julius Jones - 212
16. Jamal Lewis - 211
17. Willie Parker - 208
18. Warrick Dunn - 207
19. Kevin Jones - 207
20. Reuben Droughns - 202
21. Chester Taylor - 193
22. Deshaun Foster - 189
23. Corey Dillon - 173
24. Fred Taylor - 168
25. Chris Brown - 156
26. Ahman Green - 155
27. Tatum Bell - 149
28. Reggie Bush - 148
29. Ron Dayne - 134
30. Dominic Rhodes - 134
31. Curtis Martin - 133
32. Thomas Jones - 133
33. Cedric Benson - 128
34. Frank Gore - 125
35. Joseph Addai - 122
36. Deuce McAllister - 121
37. Kevan Barlow - 120
38. Mewelde Moore - 112
39. Samkon Gado - 112
40. TJ Duckett - 107


Are these better than my first set?
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Postby cordscords » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:45 pm

I like the updated rankings better. A few things I would switch around, but I understand that it's a matter of preference. The only real thing I have a problem with is Delhomme's ranking. Ranked behind Vick, really? Should be a top 10 QB easilly.
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Postby biju » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:52 pm

cordscords wrote:I like the updated rankings better. A few things I would switch around, but I understand that it's a matter of preference. The only real thing I have a problem with is Delhomme's ranking. Ranked behind Vick, really? Should be a top 10 QB easilly.


While I can agree on being above Vick I also think there's no way he's top 10. On top of that I would probably have Brett Favre and Kurt Warner (again, assuming a healthy season) as well as probably Aaron Brooks rated higher than them (yes, I think he's going to bounce back and be a great value pick this year).

I just think Delhomme's tunnel vision is going to bite him hard this year, unless it becomes apparent he's not doing it anymore. For having the #1 WR in fantasy two years in a row he hasn't had anything better than #10 (at best) numbers.
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Postby cordscords » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:04 pm

biju wrote:
cordscords wrote:I like the updated rankings better. A few things I would switch around, but I understand that it's a matter of preference. The only real thing I have a problem with is Delhomme's ranking. Ranked behind Vick, really? Should be a top 10 QB easilly.


While I can agree on being above Vick I also think there's no way he's top 10. On top of that I would probably have Brett Favre and Kurt Warner (again, assuming a healthy season) as well as probably Aaron Brooks rated higher than them (yes, I think he's going to bounce back and be a great value pick this year).

I just think Delhomme's tunnel vision is going to bite him hard this year, unless it becomes apparent he's not doing it anymore. For having the #1 WR in fantasy two years in a row he hasn't had anything better than #10 (at best) numbers.


I think the addition of Johnson, the ways that Foster and Williams can be used, and the experience gained by Wharton and Mathis on the line should propel Delhomme in the top 10. I personally have him higher than guys like McNabb and Eli, although others may disagree.
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Postby biju » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:17 pm

cordscords wrote:
biju wrote:
cordscords wrote:I like the updated rankings better. A few things I would switch around, but I understand that it's a matter of preference. The only real thing I have a problem with is Delhomme's ranking. Ranked behind Vick, really? Should be a top 10 QB easilly.


While I can agree on being above Vick I also think there's no way he's top 10. On top of that I would probably have Brett Favre and Kurt Warner (again, assuming a healthy season) as well as probably Aaron Brooks rated higher than them (yes, I think he's going to bounce back and be a great value pick this year).

I just think Delhomme's tunnel vision is going to bite him hard this year, unless it becomes apparent he's not doing it anymore. For having the #1 WR in fantasy two years in a row he hasn't had anything better than #10 (at best) numbers.


I think the addition of Johnson, the ways that Foster and Williams can be used, and the experience gained by Wharton and Mathis on the line should propel Delhomme in the top 10. I personally have him higher than guys like McNabb and Eli, although others may disagree.


That's entirely possible, but I still think that unless Delhomme stops forcing the ball to his #1 WR the effect that adding Johnson to the team is heavily diminished. I certainly don't expect much from Eli personally but I think it would be a mistake to take him above McNabb.

Honestly, after the top 4 or 5 QBs are gone there isn't much reason to take a QB until late in the draft. The #5 through #12 or so just doesn't have enough of a dropoff for me to think it's a position I need to worry about.
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