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Postby onnestabe » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:28 pm

drhanl wrote:amp,

of course gambling isn't illegal in vegas. Was Nevada on the list that I mentioned? Can you go to a casino in Georgia? Are you implying gambling is legal in Georgia? I'm not saying anyone is getting cheated. I'm saying, by law, people from these states can recover money lost gambling.

the percentages that the site is keeping is irrelevant, if you will kindly read above.

My lawyer friend is trying to stop illegal online gaming, actually. And, if he wins a couple hundred million in the process, i suppose he becomes evil. But, if you have a couple hundred million, who cares who thinks you are evil. if you ask me.


But I like illegal online gambling. I would rather it be legalized. The only reason it isn't legal now is because all of the brick and mortar casinos pad the pockets of the politicians to keep online gambling illegal. It's just the man holding us down, and you expect me to help? :-t
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Postby drhanl » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:37 pm

thanks stabe,

finally someone gets it!

i like it too. i'm not in the lawsuit. thank you for not bashing me for simply stating facts. and thank you for your opinion on illegal online gaming.
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Postby ampant » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:46 pm

drhanl wrote:I'm saying, by law, people from these states can recover money lost gambling.


OK. Thats a crappy law. So, . . . let me get this straight . . . people break the law by gambling illegally, then they can use the law to get their money back if they lose? Does the gambling site get their money back if somebody from Georgia wins?

Most lawyers suck. :-t

onnestabe wrote:I feel an ampant bet coming on here....


LOL - I don't have anything left to bet. I already put my avatar and sig on the line. Although if I were from Georgia I suppose I could just hide behind the law. ;-)
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Postby J_rob_the_ Baller » Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:08 pm

drhanl wrote:My lawyer friend is trying to stop illegal online gaming, actually. And, if he wins a couple hundred million in the process, i suppose he becomes evil. But, if you have a couple hundred million, who cares who thinks you are evil. if you ask me.


first off, learn how to properly use the quote function on this site.

Second, your freind is part of the problem. Trying to make money off a stupid law. Why doesnt he target people who play on the online poker site instead, I am sure there is alot more money there than their is in fantasy football sites. Online gambleing should not be illegal, and it is to late to stop it. Pretty soon the government will realize it and just tax it like everything else they cant stop.

BTW, what sites pay out CASH prizes? because there is a big difference between winning an ipod or an xbox vs winning actualy money that you can put in your bank account. Non cash prizes are not technically considered gambleing.
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Postby dogthedyslexic » Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:27 pm

J_rob_the_ Baller wrote:BTW, what sites pay out CASH prizes? because there is a big difference between winning an ipod or an xbox vs winning actualy money that you can put in your bank account. Non cash prizes are not technically considered gambleing.


I think you're right. It's like in Japan with the Pachinko machines. The machines payout little ball bearings or some other trivial item wich can be sold for cash at a booth off-site from the Pachinko machines. That isn't gambling. Or at the Fun Factory where you win tickets to redeem for prizes, that's not gambling.

I think the pay FF sites charge a fee for their services. They may provide your league a free T-Shirt as incentive for patronizing their site, but they aren't providing a reward for the winner. If your league decides to award that shirt to the winner, so be it.

I really can't think of an online pay site that "houses" Fantasy Football. I'm thinking like online poker takes a percentage of every pot, I can't think of a FF site that operates like that. It's a flat rate to use their services, what you do with it beyond that is your problem.
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Postby onnestabe » Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:36 pm

drhanl wrote:thanks stabe,

finally someone gets it!

i like it too. i'm not in the lawsuit. thank you for not bashing me for simply stating facts. and thank you for your opinion on illegal online gaming.


Yes, I do "get it", but I didn't realize I was agreeing with you... :-? You need to slow down and make your posts a little clearer by using things like punctuation and capitalization.

I think the problem with your case is going to be jurisdiction. These states that have the gambling loss reclamation laws are not going to be able to enforce those laws in other states. Because it's the internet, it is unclear as to where the transactions are taking place. So unless a Georgia company is taking money from Georgia citizens for fantasy football, the states will not have the jurisdiction to force these companies to pay.
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Postby Kellys Heroes » Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:44 pm

Isay we just ban these sites. I'm never using CBS again. I've started my own league where we do the buy ins and payout ourselves.
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Postby Attaboy » Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:47 pm

drhanl wrote: If you have played in these leagues and are interested in hammering them for a lot of money that you are entitled to, please let me know.


Why am I entitled steal money from someone whom I've voluntarily made a business arrangement with? This sounds like a case of lawyers conning some gullible people into "hammering" a legitimate business because they can. And guess who gets most of the money. That famous quote about killing all the lawyers sounds like a good idea.
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Postby stomperrob » Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:15 am

William Shakespeare had the solution a few hundred years ago: "First thing, let's kill all the lawyers".

Or, as another pearl of wisdom goes: "It's 99% of the lawyers that give the rest of them a bad name".
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Postby The Miner Part 2 » Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:22 am

i dont get any of this.
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