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Postby stomperrob » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:33 pm

It's still early and there's no guarantee he'll keep the job throughout training camp. As for his time in the 40 - he had a lousy combine and that may not be indicative of his true speed - at Arizona his time was 4.50 which is right in the ballpark with the lower first round RB's.
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Re: Mike Bell=wayy overrated

Postby FantasyMan13 » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:36 pm

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FantasyMan13 wrote:Alright, why is everyone so high on him all of the sudden? He's nothing more than a potential third-down back in the NFL (yes, even in Denver), and most likely nothing more than that. I know he's "starting" right now, but that means nothing. He was undrafted and ran a 4.63 40. Am I missing something here?

I'm going to make a prediction and say you've never heard of him before last week, let alone actually saw a game of him in college....So your opinion of him is just a gut feeling based off draft position (or lack thereof)....

Don't think I'm proclaiming to be some Mike Bell expert because I'm not....But I did actually watch him in college, and his skills (vision and quickness) are a perfect match in Denver....I never dreamed he'd get an oppurtunity so early outside of injuries decimating the backfield though....

He went undrafted because he doesn't have breakaway speed, or exceptional power.....He went undrafted because he wasn't overly spectacular on film, or overly productive on paper....The thing Mike has going for him is his vision, and his ability to make the quick decisive cuts...There's a difference between being quick and being fast....Mike is quick....He ran in a similar zone-scheme at Arizona....You won't see him dancing around in the backfield, spinning and juking....And you won't see him running down the sideline for a 90-yard touchdown....Mike's gonna get the small chunks, the 3, 4, 6, 10-yard gains at a time....

Mike could completely flop and we may never hear from him again, or he could shine and be the next product of the Denver RB factory...But why don't we have a look-see in the preseason at how he performs before we put the nail in his coffin....It would be extremely naive to ignore his potential....


I first heard of him in May, and all the sudden it just seems his stock has gone way up from never heard of to actually being drafted (although he should be 3rd on the depth chart at best). No, I've never seem him play, but I looked at his numbers and they're nothing extradorinary. I've also read numerous scouting reports on him and they're almost all the same: "Possession RB." Also, I really hate bandwagon jumpers (something you and I should know something about Jay :-b)
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Postby bagobonez » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:42 pm

Sixxgunn wrote:Everyone keeps pointing to the year Anderson had as an example of how great it is to have the Denver RB on your team. Check the week by week instead of the total folks, you'll be very, very disappointed.

WK OPP ATT YDS AVG TD
1 @Dolphins 4 5 1.3 0
2 Chargers 15 49 3.3 0
3 Chiefs 20 98 4.9 1
4 @Jaguars 23 115 5.0 0
5 Redskins 11 34 3.1 0
6 Patriots 15 57 3.8 1
7 @Giants 24 120 5.0 1
8 Eagles 21 126 6.0 1
10 @Raiders 17 65 3.8 1
11 Jets 26 113 4.3 3
12 @Cowboys 11 31 2.8 0
13 @Chiefs 13 37 2.8 1
14 Ravens 8 21 2.6 0
15 @Bills 21 97 4.6 2
16 Raiders 10 46 4.6 1

I count 6 weeks without a TD, 7 weeks of 1 TD and 2 weeks of multiple TDs. I see 7 games of 60 yds or less, 1 game of less than 75 yds, 2 games just shy of 100 yds and 4 games of 100yds or more. That's alot of disappointing weeks there, and I know because I had him. There's your 1000 yd rusher. :-t


I tried to space it so it reads better but it won't let me. It just keeps bunching it back together.


Anderson's fantasy points on a week to week basis...

0 - 8 - 15 - 13 - 4 - 11 - 18 - 19 - 12 - 30 - 3 - 21 - 2 - 21 - 12 - DNP

Anderson had 10 weeks of double digit fantasy points. That's the majority of the season. You could do alot worse in the 10th round. Week 1 he was injured in the 1st quarter, so that game's misleading.

Think about it, who would you rather have? A guy like Mike Bell who oozes with potential, or some washed up has been like Ahman Green, Fred Taylor or CUrtis Martin? Because those are the kinds of RB's you're looking at in the 8th, 9th, 10th rounds.
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Postby FantasyMan13 » Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:33 pm

bagobonez wrote:
Sixxgunn wrote:Everyone keeps pointing to the year Anderson had as an example of how great it is to have the Denver RB on your team. Check the week by week instead of the total folks, you'll be very, very disappointed.

WK OPP ATT YDS AVG TD
1 @Dolphins 4 5 1.3 0
2 Chargers 15 49 3.3 0
3 Chiefs 20 98 4.9 1
4 @Jaguars 23 115 5.0 0
5 Redskins 11 34 3.1 0
6 Patriots 15 57 3.8 1
7 @Giants 24 120 5.0 1
8 Eagles 21 126 6.0 1
10 @Raiders 17 65 3.8 1
11 Jets 26 113 4.3 3
12 @Cowboys 11 31 2.8 0
13 @Chiefs 13 37 2.8 1
14 Ravens 8 21 2.6 0
15 @Bills 21 97 4.6 2
16 Raiders 10 46 4.6 1

I count 6 weeks without a TD, 7 weeks of 1 TD and 2 weeks of multiple TDs. I see 7 games of 60 yds or less, 1 game of less than 75 yds, 2 games just shy of 100 yds and 4 games of 100yds or more. That's alot of disappointing weeks there, and I know because I had him. There's your 1000 yd rusher. :-t


I tried to space it so it reads better but it won't let me. It just keeps bunching it back together.


Anderson's fantasy points on a week to week basis...

0 - 8 - 15 - 13 - 4 - 11 - 18 - 19 - 12 - 30 - 3 - 21 - 2 - 21 - 12 - DNP

Anderson had 10 weeks of double digit fantasy points. That's the majority of the season. You could do alot worse in the 10th round. Week 1 he was injured in the 1st quarter, so that game's misleading.

Think about it, who would you rather have? A guy like Mike Bell who oozes with potential, or some washed up has been like Ahman Green, Fred Taylor or CUrtis Martin? Because those are the kinds of RB's you're looking at in the 8th, 9th, 10th rounds.


I'd take Fragile Fred in a heartbeat over any of those guys.
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Postby Sixxgunn » Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:53 pm

FantasyMan13 wrote:
bagobonez wrote:
Sixxgunn wrote:Everyone keeps pointing to the year Anderson had as an example of how great it is to have the Denver RB on your team. Check the week by week instead of the total folks, you'll be very, very disappointed.

WK OPP ATT YDS AVG TD
1 @Dolphins 4 5 1.3 0
2 Chargers 15 49 3.3 0
3 Chiefs 20 98 4.9 1
4 @Jaguars 23 115 5.0 0
5 Redskins 11 34 3.1 0
6 Patriots 15 57 3.8 1
7 @Giants 24 120 5.0 1
8 Eagles 21 126 6.0 1
10 @Raiders 17 65 3.8 1
11 Jets 26 113 4.3 3
12 @Cowboys 11 31 2.8 0
13 @Chiefs 13 37 2.8 1
14 Ravens 8 21 2.6 0
15 @Bills 21 97 4.6 2
16 Raiders 10 46 4.6 1

I count 6 weeks without a TD, 7 weeks of 1 TD and 2 weeks of multiple TDs. I see 7 games of 60 yds or less, 1 game of less than 75 yds, 2 games just shy of 100 yds and 4 games of 100yds or more. That's alot of disappointing weeks there, and I know because I had him. There's your 1000 yd rusher. :-t


I tried to space it so it reads better but it won't let me. It just keeps bunching it back together.


Anderson's fantasy points on a week to week basis...

0 - 8 - 15 - 13 - 4 - 11 - 18 - 19 - 12 - 30 - 3 - 21 - 2 - 21 - 12 - DNP

Anderson had 10 weeks of double digit fantasy points. That's the majority of the season. You could do alot worse in the 10th round. Week 1 he was injured in the 1st quarter, so that game's misleading.

Think about it, who would you rather have? A guy like Mike Bell who oozes with potential, or some washed up has been like Ahman Green, Fred Taylor or CUrtis Martin? Because those are the kinds of RB's you're looking at in the 8th, 9th, 10th rounds.


I'd take Fragile Fred in a heartbeat over any of those guys.


Bingo. ;-D
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Postby Flux » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:01 pm

At this point, im looking to grab the last of the 3 DEN RBs taken in my draft. I think all 3 have an equal chance at it...although Tatum certainly isnt helping himself by talking to the media
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Postby Kensat30 » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:05 pm

Sixxgunn wrote:Everyone keeps pointing to the year Anderson had as an example of how great it is to have the Denver RB on your team. Check the week by week instead of the total folks, you'll be very, very disappointed.

WK OPP ATT YDS AVG TD
1 @Dolphins 4 5 1.3 0
2 Chargers 15 49 3.3 0
3 Chiefs 20 98 4.9 1
4 @Jaguars 23 115 5.0 0
5 Redskins 11 34 3.1 0
6 Patriots 15 57 3.8 1
7 @Giants 24 120 5.0 1
8 Eagles 21 126 6.0 1
10 @Raiders 17 65 3.8 1
11 Jets 26 113 4.3 3
12 @Cowboys 11 31 2.8 0
13 @Chiefs 13 37 2.8 1
14 Ravens 8 21 2.6 0
15 @Bills 21 97 4.6 2
16 Raiders 10 46 4.6 1

I count 6 weeks without a TD, 7 weeks of 1 TD and 2 weeks of multiple TDs. I see 7 games of 60 yds or less, 1 game of less than 75 yds, 2 games just shy of 100 yds and 4 games of 100yds or more. That's alot of disappointing weeks there, and I know because I had him. There's your 1000 yd rusher. :-t


I tried to space it so it reads better but it won't let me. It just keeps bunching it back together.


Try comparing those numbers to other RBs, you'd be surprised. While the yardage is lackluster, TDs are compelling. 9 Games out of 15 with a TD? I'll take that every day of the week. He had 5 real poor games on the year and 1 should have been avoided if you were a smart owner.

Week 1 he was injured, nothing you can do about that. Week 2 you shouldn't have started him because Shanny said he would be limited... and he was pulled from the game right after carry 15. Redskin's in week 5? Yeah, they were tough last season. Week 12 you flopped. Week 14 you flopped.

Every RB has a dud game now and then, that can't really be avoided. You only remember Mike Anderson's because you owned him and played him those weeks.
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One quick comparison:

Lamont Jordan- only scored in 7 games out of 14. Flopped in weeks 13 and 14 leading up to the playoffs and didn't even play in week 16 the championship game.
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Re: Mike Bell=wayy overrated

Postby PurpleHaze » Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:41 pm

FantasyMan13 wrote:Alright, why is everyone so high on him all of the sudden? He's nothing more than a potential third-down back in the NFL (yes, even in Denver), and most likely nothing more than that. I know he's "starting" right now, but that means nothing. He was undrafted and ran a 4.63 40. Am I missing something here?


I have been watching this kid since high school...
(He grew up around the corner from me, and has been an elite athlete since grade school)

Mike Bell is the perfect fit for Denver, and the NFL...
He is a North and South runner, and runs hard every time he gets the ball... Mike is a very intelligent individual on top of that, and will pick up blitz packages, and such very quickly...

That being said, he isn't a "Fast" guy, but a very "Smart" runner!

I think Mike Shanahan loves the kid, but is attempting to motivate both Tatum and Ron for the start of the regular season... Tatum hasn't shown he can handle being an every down back, and Ron is always that "Preseason" sleeper, only to disappoint every year...

Mike Bell isn't overrated...
(When you have the talent, your not overrated)
He wouldn't be the first player not drafted in the NFL only to become an all pro someday...

We have seen it many times with Denver, so you can't write Mike Bell off...
He could be one of this seasons Cinderella stories in the making! ;-D

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Postby LoveBoatCaptain » Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:29 pm

In dynasty leagues, even coachspeak is gold. You're talking about a rookie potentially winning out one of the best running back situations in the NFL... this is huge news for dynasty leagues.
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Postby lsufan » Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:38 pm

He went undrafted in a league I just drafted in on Monday. I just picked him up off the wire yesterday. I think he is worth the risk late in a draft. You never know what will happen. Its going to suck for the guy who drafted tatum and dayne if mike bell can hold down the #1 spot.
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