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Postby ttwarrior1 » Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:37 pm

you can get good qb late and its taking away their value, not to mentioin an experienced fantasy player would never accept a 2 for 1 trade even with a good qb in the deal. Mcnabb and delomme in round 7 is just fine. Im almost getting to the point where they should make you start 2 qb or have the leagues be roto
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Postby Ironhorse75 » Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:41 pm

If you're smart enough to land a nice QB in the middle rounds while others reach, why would you want that to change?
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Postby moonhead » Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:45 pm

i couldn't really understand what he was getting at with his post... :-? :-/
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Postby Mercer Boy » Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:56 pm

moonhead wrote:i couldn't really understand what he was getting at with his post... :-? :-/


I think his point is that QB's are such an important part of a real team that they should be made to be drafted higher in fantasy.

Unfortunately, no matter what you make the scoring settings, they are all going to score about the same with a few exceptions...some will be more consistent scorers such as Manning, Brady, etc. But yeah, unless you make it a 2 QB league or make their point structure ridiculously lopsided for QB scoring (I wouldn't like my QB deciding the whole week), the middle-round value of a QB is going to remain intact. :-/
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Postby moochman » Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:48 pm

Exercise you aingst, ttwarrior, and join yourself one of those bastardized leagues that start two QBs. There are plenty of them around. Be happy, this is a game and I hate to see it make anyone sad.
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Postby houstonherdfan » Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:24 pm

moochman wrote:Exercise you aingst, ttwarrior, and join yourself one of those bastardized leagues that start two QBs. There are plenty of them around. Be happy, this is a game and I hate to see it make anyone sad.


i joined a 2 QB league this year just to see how they work. I got 2 average QB's and 3 really good RB along with a couple of average ones. we also start 2 RB and a flex. Did I also mention this is a 16 team league. It was one of those yahoo leagues with a bunch of idiots in it.

I was having a boring evening and said WTF.
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Postby The Lung » Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:34 pm

Mercer Boy wrote:I think his point is that QB's are such an important part of a real team that they should be made to be drafted higher in fantasy.

Unfortunately, no matter what you make the scoring settings, they are all going to score about the same with a few exceptions...some will be more consistent scorers such as Manning, Brady, etc. But yeah, unless you make it a 2 QB league or make their point structure ridiculously lopsided for QB scoring (I wouldn't like my QB deciding the whole week), the middle-round value of a QB is going to remain intact. :-/


I hear all the time of leagues where quarterbacks get one point per 20 yards passing & 6 points per passing TD. The top ten fantasy scorers each year are 3 or 4 RBs and all the rest QBs. Guys end up drafting marginal QBs in the second or third round because of systems like that. The contribution is so large that whether you win or lose each week is primarily based on how well your quarterback performs, and the rest of your roster starts to lose importance.

Those leagues stink. :-t
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Postby Ironhorse75 » Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:41 pm

The Lung wrote:
Mercer Boy wrote:I think his point is that QB's are such an important part of a real team that they should be made to be drafted higher in fantasy.

Unfortunately, no matter what you make the scoring settings, they are all going to score about the same with a few exceptions...some will be more consistent scorers such as Manning, Brady, etc. But yeah, unless you make it a 2 QB league or make their point structure ridiculously lopsided for QB scoring (I wouldn't like my QB deciding the whole week), the middle-round value of a QB is going to remain intact. :-/


I hear all the time of leagues where quarterbacks get one point per 20 yards passing & 6 points per passing TD. The top ten fantasy scorers each year are 3 or 4 RBs and all the rest QBs. Guys end up drafting marginal QBs in the second or third round because of systems like that. The contribution is so large that whether you win or lose each week is primarily based on how well your quarterback performs, and the rest of your roster starts to lose importance.

Those leagues stink. :-t


In theory, shouldn't the scoring system be irrelevent?

It doesn't just effect the top 4-5 qbs, but all of them.

So while in a system where QBs score just as many points as the backs do, the difference between peer value remains the same. Because the better backs are still more difficult to obtain, they would still hold the same signififance wouldn't they? Isn't this just a simple example of inflation?
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Postby The Lung » Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:55 pm

Ironhorse75 wrote:So while in a system where QBs score just as many points as the backs do, the difference between peer value remains the same. Because the better backs are still more difficult to obtain, they would still hold the same signififance wouldn't they? Isn't this just a simple example of inflation?


If the top scorers are QBs, managers are inclined to draft them sooner. It seems weird when guys are drafting QBs in the second or third round when in nearly all other leagues they go much later. And when the contribution from quarterbacks becomes so great that the rest of your roster is irrelevant, that's also weird. Let's say some dude drafts Culpepper in the 6th round this year and he blows up again like he did in 2004 and almost singlehandedly leads the dude to victory every week. In this example, Culpepper's peer value becomes greater than every other QB as well as every other player in the league. And the manager wins his league this year not because of an accrued "team effort," but really from the luck of the draw of getting the one quarterback who had a breakout season. To win the league like that? That's not right.
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Postby eaglesrule » Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:17 pm

i honestly think the problem is the "flex."

Honestly, I hate how artifically inflated runningbacks are in this game. Not only is the scoring somewhat tilted in their favor, but most leagues allow for up to three starting backs, something that I think is dumb.

But since its "fantasy" I think the top amount of each position is: qb, 3wr, two rb, 1 te, kicker, defense.

I think it evens up the wr and rb a bit. And most teams have a fullback and halfback on the field at the same time, so in "fantasy" two studs in the backfield is ok.

But I hate the flex, I think that element does more to inflate rbs sometimes than anything else. the simple fact is qb is a singular position, so when you play fantasy, everyone is going to have a decent starter. I don't believe in handcuffing the qb further by making passing td;s six, but short of two qb's, which is as silly to me as three runningbacks, there isn't much you can do.
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