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Postby mak1277 » Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:24 am

I think this exercise might be useful, but for a different reason. I think looking at the top shut down corners is more predictive of production by the teams 2nd receiver.

Look at Thursday's game. Chambers was shadowed by Ike Taylor (and doubled quite a bit). Look at the production out of the Booker/Welker combo...pretty good stuff.

If you have Chad Johnson, you're never going to bench him, regardless of who he is matched up against, so this exercise isn't going to be helpful from that point of view. However, if you know that Johnson is going to be matched up against a top shutdown corner, I think you would be more likely than usual to start Housh (just as an example).
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Postby go_jays_go » Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:45 am

No love for Ken Lucas? The guy continuously shuts people down.
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Postby bagobonez » Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:49 am

go_jays_go wrote:No love for Ken Lucas? The guy continuously shuts people down.


I gave him love. He was 7th in terms of yards allowed per catch.
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Postby GreatestShowOnEarth » Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:12 am

bagobonez wrote:The Best
Yds/Att - Player
5.1 D.Townsend - PIT
5.3 N.Vasher - CHI
5.4 S.Springs - WAS
5.5 L.Bodden - CLE
5.6 D.Johnson - SF
5.6 R.Hood - PHI
5.7 K.Lucas - CAR
5.8 T.Newman - DAL
5.8 D.McCutcheon - CLE
5.9 D.Williams - DEN
5.9 A.Dyson - NYJ
6.0 S.Rolle - BAL
6.0 C.Ivy - BAL
6.0 B.Sapp - KC
6.1 F.Brown - NO
6.2 J.Bolden - TB
6.3 N.Asomugha - OAK
6.4 E.King - BUF
6.5 B.Williams - JAX
6.5 D.Barrett - NYJ

The Worst
12.8 T.Fisher - STL
11.8 D.Starks - OAK
11.4 R.Howard - CAR
11.3 J.Craft - NO
10.5 P.Buchanon - HOU
10.4 D.Faggins - HOU
9.8 E.Green - AZ
9.7 S.Spencer - SF
9.6 J.Miller - NYJ
9.6 L.Sheppard - PHI
9.5 K.Herndon - SEA
9.5 C.Gamble - CAR
9.5 B.Thornton - SF
9.4 M.McKenzie - NO
9.3 D.Robinson - HOU
9.1 C.Webster - NYG
9.1 T.James - CIN
8.8 R.Mathis - JAX
8.8 J.David - IND
8.8 N.Clements - BUF


Thats a really screwed up list.
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Postby Shockers » Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:22 am

You can't argue numbers, Drew :)
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Postby saundman2000 » Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:25 pm

GreatestShowOnEarth wrote:
bagobonez wrote:The Best
Yds/Att - Player
5.1 D.Townsend - PIT
5.3 N.Vasher - CHI
5.4 S.Springs - WAS
5.5 L.Bodden - CLE
5.6 D.Johnson - SF
5.6 R.Hood - PHI
5.7 K.Lucas - CAR
5.8 T.Newman - DAL
5.8 D.McCutcheon - CLE
5.9 D.Williams - DEN
5.9 A.Dyson - NYJ
6.0 S.Rolle - BAL
6.0 C.Ivy - BAL
6.0 B.Sapp - KC
6.1 F.Brown - NO
6.2 J.Bolden - TB
6.3 N.Asomugha - OAK
6.4 E.King - BUF
6.5 B.Williams - JAX
6.5 D.Barrett - NYJ

The Worst
12.8 T.Fisher - STL
11.8 D.Starks - OAK
11.4 R.Howard - CAR
11.3 J.Craft - NO
10.5 P.Buchanon - HOU
10.4 D.Faggins - HOU
9.8 E.Green - AZ
9.7 S.Spencer - SF
9.6 J.Miller - NYJ
9.6 L.Sheppard - PHI
9.5 K.Herndon - SEA
9.5 C.Gamble - CAR
9.5 B.Thornton - SF
9.4 M.McKenzie - NO
9.3 D.Robinson - HOU
9.1 C.Webster - NYG
9.1 T.James - CIN
8.8 R.Mathis - JAX
8.8 J.David - IND
8.8 N.Clements - BUF


Thats a really screwed up list.


I lke the effort though. It looks like its based on yards allowed per attempt. The guys on the worst list are worth looking at to see why they allowed so much yardage per attempt I"m not sure how to quantify it in stats in an accurate way.
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Postby GreatestShowOnEarth » Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:05 pm

Shockers wrote:You can't argue numbers, Drew :)


You can use stats to prove almost anything. They are anything but foolproof.

You cant tell me that ALL those guys on the best least are better shutdown CBs then Champ Baily or Ronde Barber. I dont care how many stats you throw at me.

Yards/pass attempt can be very misleading especially for certain CBs who totally shutdown their side of the field. They dont get many passes there way so if they do happen to give up one big play their average goes way up.
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Postby AmAr3 i$ dA fU7Ur3 » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:27 pm

Well, Vasher is certainly in the top 10. I can only speak for him because he plays for Chicago because I don't know many IDPs from other teams that well besides the well known ones. If you watched Bears games last year, you'd remember that this guy would make a play like once or twice every game that would just make your mouth drop. And he did record the longest touchdown ever ;-D. He's young and will only get better. Look for him in Hawaii every year.
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Postby deluxe_247 » Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:27 pm

GreatestShowOnEarth wrote:
Shockers wrote:You can't argue numbers, Drew :)


You can use stats to prove almost anything. They are anything but foolproof.

You cant tell me that ALL those guys on the best least are better shutdown CBs then Champ Baily or Ronde Barber. I dont care how many stats you throw at me.

Yards/pass attempt can be very misleading especially for certain CBs who totally shutdown their side of the field. They dont get many passes there way so if they do happen to give up one big play their average goes way up.


ed reed isnt too shabby either.
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Postby South Park Cows » Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:52 pm

deluxe_247 wrote:
GreatestShowOnEarth wrote:
Shockers wrote:You can't argue numbers, Drew :)


You can use stats to prove almost anything. They are anything but foolproof.

You cant tell me that ALL those guys on the best least are better shutdown CBs then Champ Baily or Ronde Barber. I dont care how many stats you throw at me.

Yards/pass attempt can be very misleading especially for certain CBs who totally shutdown their side of the field. They dont get many passes there way so if they do happen to give up one big play their average goes way up.


ed reed isnt too shabby either.


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BTW, D... you wouldn't happen to be at the BBC would you?
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