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Postby The Miner Part 2 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:26 am

us posting this guys blog is the exact problem with all of these situations.

you shoot people, you are famous. our media is the devil.
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Postby lmcjaho » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:29 am

The Miner Part 2 wrote:us posting this guys blog is the exact problem with all of these situations.

you shoot people, you are famous. our media is the devil.


I'd have to say that while I agree that the media making these idiots famous is something negative that comes from this, I think the problem with this particular situation is that his mother didn't abort him 25 years ago.
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Postby The Miner Part 2 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:33 am

lmcjaho wrote:
The Miner Part 2 wrote:us posting this guys blog is the exact problem with all of these situations.

you shoot people, you are famous. our media is the devil.


I'd have to say that while I agree that the media making these idiots famous is something negative that comes from this, I think the problem with this particular situation is that his mother didn't abort him 25 years ago.


media program heads shoulda been aborted too.
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Postby Fireball Express » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:03 am

lmcjaho wrote:
The Miner Part 2 wrote:us posting this guys blog is the exact problem with all of these situations.

you shoot people, you are famous. our media is the devil.


I'd have to say that while I agree that the media making these idiots famous is something negative that comes from this, I think the problem with this particular situation is that his mother didn't abort him 25 years ago.


Yes, the media is a double edged sword sometimes.
This jerk isn't around to enjoy his 15 minutes of fame.


I'm glad someone mentioned his mother. I'm wondering what kind of parents he had for him to turn out like this.
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Postby Verdun Barbarians » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:58 am

Well that news has been quite a few days here in Montreal. Here is one of the late articles on the subject. A brief presentation of the killer and his "passions".

cbc.ca wrote:In Depth School Shootings
'You gotta die sometime': A website's chilling message
Last Updated September 14, 2006
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Kimveer Gill referred to himself as the 'angel of death' in an online diary. (Canadian Press)

Why did Kimveer Gill arm himself, march into Dawson College and start a shooting rampage? The internet holds chilling pieces of that puzzle.

"Life is like a video game, you gotta die sometime," Gill wrote on his online journal.

Gill published a web page that in its entirety reveals a self-portrait. And it isn't a pretty picture. He maintained a blog-style space on vampirefreaks.com, a site devoted to Goth culture, that contained journal items posted from the same day of the shooting and pictures of himself brandishing guns and knives.

Web spaces show thoughts meant to be seen by few in a place where they can be found by many. Most people and names will have some sort of electronic footprint as blogs and other diary-like sites flourish on the internet — the site tracker Technorati.com searches about 54 million blogs.

Sometimes the information is mundane, but often, like in the case of Gill, there are some telling tidbits of information.

"Work sucks … School sucks … Life sucks … What else can I say?" he wrote in a posting in his online journal that he started in 2005.

Gill called himself "Trench" and wrote: "You will come to know him as the Angel of Death."

Gill took on the alias fatality666. In it, he had pictures of himself with combat boots, a knife and several of his rifle.

A photo gallery accompanying the profile includes pictures of Gill with a Beretta CX4 Storm semi-automatic rifle. He's seen in the last pictures wearing a black coat and holding a rifle. The caption below the last photo reads: "Ready for Action."

The site's New York-based founder and webmaster, Jethro Berelson, says his moderators monitor site users. There are more than 600,000 people registered on his site.

"We don't condone illegal activities, we don't condone anything bad," he told CBC Newsworld. "Any time somebody does something wrong that happens to have a profile on the website, somehow the website is blamed," he said. "I don't think the website is in any way responsible."

Gill wrote his final entry just hours before the shooting began, saying: "Whiskey in the morning, mmmmmm, mmmmmmmmm, good !! : )"

He said he played a Web-based game that simulated the 1999 school shootings in Columbine. And in his profile page, he revealed his interests in music (Marilyn Manson), his favourite movies (Edward Scissorshands, Romeo and Juliet), video games (Manhunt, Grand Theft Auto) and TV shows (The Daily Show, Law and Order).

Under the category "Dislikes," he wrote "THE WORLD AND EVERYTHING IN IT"

Websites linked to crime:

Medicine Hat killings: April 2006


After three members of a Medicine Hat family were killed, it emerged that the two suspects, a 12-year-old girl and a 23-year-old man, had posted on various websites.

The girl, who can't be named, posted on Nexopia.com, according to reports. (The postings have been removed.) "Are you talking me? Cuz that would be super," she wrote on the site that is popular with young people.

The other accused, Jeremy Steinke, reportedly met the girl on the site vampirefreaks.com.

Two deaths in Maine: April 2006

Stephen Marshall, 20, travelled from Nova Scotia to Maine, where he is suspected of having shot and killed two sex offenders before committing suicide.

His blog was hosted in angelfire.com and has been taken down. According to reports in April, he linked to a site that was a guide on "How to spot a pedophile" and a site with photos of firearms.

Marshall's blog also listed his "likes" (food, maple syrup, Canadians, porn) and "dislikes" (drag queens, gays, minorities getting special treatment).

Johnathan's mistrial: February 2005

A mistrial was declared in the murder trial of three teenagers in Toronto amid allegations that a witness lied about her interest in vampirism.

The judge said the witness, a former girlfriend of one of the defendants, may have misled the court after a newspaper report that she had contradicted her sworn testimony in postings to the internet. The 12-year-old victim, who can only be identified as "Johnathan," was stabbed to death in November 2003.

The witness testified that she considered the defendant's blood fetish to be childish. But a report said that the girl had posted comments to an internet site in which she professed an interest in "blood, pain ... cemeteries [and] knives." It also said she had apparently posted commentary about her testimony to an online journal during the trial.


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Medias here in Montreal haven't stopped talking about the guy and his blog. They've also been talking on and on about this vampirefreaks.com website on which he was an active member.

Here is the response of the website in question

montreal shooting * September 14, 2006 *
so yes there's been a lot of press lately regarding a shooting in montreal, where the person involved was a member of this site.
i offer my condolences to the victims and their families, it really is a tragic event. however we do not condone or influence this type of behavior in any way. just because someone goes around shooting people and happens to be a member of vampirefreaks, doesn't mean that this website has influenced him to do such a horrible thing. the goth scene is a very friendly, nurturing, non-violent community and we are very supportive of our users and do not condone any illegal activities. we have an excellent team of administrators who moderate the site, and a useful system which allows all users to report illegal and suspicious activity. thank you to all the users who continue to help us moderate the site.
i do think this event is a tragedy, but i feel that this site is wrongly being associated with the shooting. i'm sure this kid also had accounts on various other sites, but the media likes to associate crimes with gothic culture because it makes a better story for them.
so, i just want to ask our members to really try to set a good example to the world, to show that we really are caring, responsible, non-violent people. in fact i believe we are more mature and responsible than other scenes, in that we value intelligence, part of goth culture is thinking for yourself and being more aware of the world, rather than just following the mainstream trends. don't let a few bad seeds ruin our reputation, we are a great community

on another note, due to all the media coverage, the site is slower than usual, but i'm trying my best to keep the site running smoothly and it should be back to normal after the media hype dies down over the next day or two.


I just feel uncomfortable with this kind of response. I mean, we do have a big forum here, but the moderation is still able to warn us of any foul langage abuse or any distastefuly undressed chick in the hottest woman alive thread... So my guess is someone should have seen something, no?

This whole story sucks.

I hope everyone of those injured kids and teachers will be alright (especialy the 3 or 4 who are in critical condition).
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:31 am

I'm going to get rid of my internet now. :-t
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Postby Redskins Win » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:40 am

Verdun Barbarians wrote:I just feel uncomfortable with this kind of response. I mean, we do have a big forum here, but the moderation is still able to warn us of any foul langage abuse or any distastefuly undressed chick in the hottest woman alive thread... So my guess is someone should have seen something, no?

This whole story sucks.

I hope everyone of those injured kids and teachers will be alright (especialy the 3 or 4 who are in critical condition).


the story does suck no doubt. But moderators and administrators aren't psychologists and arent like doctors that have to report suspicious physical cases to the authorities.
In an online atmosphere it's difficult to determine who is just sensationalizing and who is really demented enough to snap like this.
The responsibility certainly is not of the website (I'm sure there a ton of nut jobs on that vampire sit) but of his "freinds" and family and quite possibly his high school teachers and counselors. i mean this didn't just manifest over nite.
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:28 am

Are kids just bored, unmotivated, and angry?

Another story (thank God this didn't have an unhappy ending like the previous):

High school bomb plot foiled
Sep. 15, 2006. 05:52 AM

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GREEN BAY, Wisc.— Two teenage boys amassed a cache of guns, ammunition, bombs and other weapons at their homes and apparently planned to use them to attack their high school, authorities said.

The boys, both 17, were arrested Thursday morning at East High School in Green Bay, but their identities were not released pending possible charges, authorities said.

Police Chief Craig Van Schyndle said officers who found the materials also found suicide notes.

"From statements that we heard it gave us great concern that, yes, it was in the very near future something was going to take place," he said.

The school resource officer also "learned these two students were obsessed with pain, death, and had suicidal thoughts," Van Schyndle said.

Police raided their homes and found the guns, ammunition, several bombs, bomb-making material, camouflage clothing, helmets and gas masks. No weapons were found at the school. The chief said the students had learned bomb-making on the Internet.

"This was a Columbine waiting to happen, from the briefing that I've had" said prosecutor John Zakowski. "Only they know how close it was to being reality."

Zakowski said he cannot say what charges might be filed until interviews are finished, but any charges will be handled in adult court. The police chief said authorities were considering charges of conspiracy to commit murder and conspiracy to commit arson.

School Superintendent Dan Nerad credited school staff and their relationships with students for allowing them to learn of the situation and immediately get the school resource officer involved.

"I think the important thing is that nothing did happen, and that this was indeed averted today," Mayor Jim Schmitt said.
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Postby Bravos of Steel » Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:44 am

Wow, I'm with Dream and ORS here. It just boggles my mind as to, how, HOW???, someone can do this.
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Postby Redskins Win » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:36 am

Omaha Red Sox wrote:I'm going to get rid of my internet now. :-t



Bravos of Steel wrote:Wow, I'm with Dream and ORS here. It just boggles my mind as to, how, HOW???, someone can do this.


You too ;-D
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