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Postby tHe.pRoFessionaL » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:40 am

haha miner, so so true!!
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Postby stomperrob » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:46 am

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Matthias wrote:Ya'll should cool it a bit. Have you read the ESPN article about the call the night Clarett was arrested?

I feel sorry for Clarett. Really, really sorry. There's tons of idiots who play in the NFL who have no better sense than him (and, I'm sure, tons of people who read this board who have no better sense than him) but through various quirks of fate, he's about as low as he can get.

Sure, he squandered talent and fame. But realistically, his one big mistake was the filing of the fake insurance claim. He doesn't do that and all this other nonsense gets headlines but he's still in the NFL at this point, plea bargaining it away for some kind of community service. And he's not running to an apparent shootout to protect his daughter from the Israeli Mafia. And he's not heading to the slammer for 7+.

There's an old saying that as you watch someone go to the gallows, you should think, "There, but for the Grace of God, go I." Humility and compassion are never gaudy to put on.


Yes, we're all familiar with what he was doing on the night in question - it was posted here in it's entirety and was widely reported in the media. As for your final statement - I have to disagree - I and many others here have been faced with decisions in our lives where we could have have chased the "fast" buck or the "easy" money or gone down the wrong road but chose not to, instead choosing to take the more difficult, but straight and narrow route - to work hard for everything we have and not to place our family in harm's way as he did with his criminal assosiations. That being said, I do feel a certain amount of pity for him and moreso for his family, but he made his bed and now he must lay in it.


Stomperrob, the projection of your values onto the decisions that someone else makes doesn't work. Clarett made terrible decisions, and no doubt as I stand here I would have made different ones. Not doing U-turns comes to mind.
Football, mostly the NCAA, failed him as much as he failed football. It was his one escape, the work hard to get ahead decision you would have chosen. The NCAA turns it's back on athletes who aren't smart enough to fake there way through college courses. They reap the revenues earned from skills that have nothing to do with the courses they are forced to take. So you end up with Claretts of the world getting caught and forced out. The NCAA bedpartner, the NFL, buckled to the NCAA's wishes that their sacred student athletes be bound to school until they're 20. To protect these kids who couldn't possibly hold up to the NFL. Okay for them to go out and compete against juniors and seniors who are plenty big enough to inflict NFL style damage on these kids. So why do they let them play as Frosh? Sorry ranting.

Bottom line is Clarett is limited on many levels. His best chance out was through football and they didn't want him because he couldn't conform to scholastic, then societal standards.


I agree with you wholeheartedly on the problems inherent in college football programs - I just resented the implication that I could easily be in his shoes. And I would like to see the NCAA somehow be forced to account for their behavior but of course it will never happen.
It's funny, but I've noticed what a farce these "student" athletes are this year moreso than ever before - of course I was always aware of it, but this year for the first time I have the NFL Network and I have it on quite a bit when I'm on the computer or doing things around the house. As a result I have the opportunity to see numerous player interviews and one thing really seems to stand out - some of the biggest stars from some of the biggest college football programs can't even speak proper english when they're being interviewed, and I mean terrible english (in many cases there seems to be a direct correlation - the bigger the star & the bigger the college program, the more uneducated he appears to be!) - universities should be embarassed and ashamed to admit these people have degrees from their institutions. I don't think we've come very far from the time when All-Pro defensive end Dexter Manley who played on the Redskins 1988 Super Bowl was discovered to be illiterate - he could not read and write when he left Oklahoma State - okay, he wasn't completely illiterate, he actually could read at a grade 2 level which is apparently all that is required at that august institution (I'm guessing you probably need grade 3 or 4 skills for their Masters program).
I don't know what the solution is - there's too many culprits at too many levels - it certainly wouldn't be easy to clean up and maybe not enough people in the right places care.
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Postby Bowie » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:02 am

moochman wrote:Football, mostly the NCAA, failed him as much as he failed football... His best chance out was through football and they didn't want him because he couldn't conform to scholastic, then societal standards.


Lots of people make it in life without football. He had an amazing opportunity that many would kill for and squandered it. Feel bad for his family, sure, but Clarett dug his own grave. The implication that scholastic and societal standards are to blame for Clarett's not meeting scholastic and societal standards is absurd.
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Postby moochman » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:08 am

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moochman wrote:Football, mostly the NCAA, failed him as much as he failed football... His best chance out was through football and they didn't want him because he couldn't conform to scholastic, then societal standards.


Lots of people make it in life without football. He had an amazing opportunity that many would kill for and squandered it. Feel bad for his family, sure, but Clarett dug his own grave. The implication that scholastic and societal standards are to blame for Clarett's not meeting scholastic and societal standards is absurd.


My point was not that society failed Clarett, though it can be argued, but that the NFL in wanting players without rap sheets didn't exactly bend backwards to allow Clarett into the NFL. He clearly was physically mature enough to compete in the league. But image is more important to the NFL than the game at times. They would rather turn their back on a player that may have helped the league be more competitive because he is shadey.

And as for the lots of people make it without football, that's true. That's also missing my point. Lots of people spend large parts of their life in jail. Some of them avoid prison becuase they found something they were suited to. For Clarett it seems football was his gift. But it was taken away from him. See how good that worked out?

So which served Clarett, the NFL, and society better? Letting him compete in football or barring him from football? Early results aren't good.
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Postby Bowie » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:16 pm

moochman wrote:My point was not that society failed Clarett, though it can be argued, but that the NFL in wanting players without rap sheets didn't exactly bend backwards to allow Clarett into the NFL. He clearly was physically mature enough to compete in the league. But image is more important to the NFL than the game at times. They would rather turn their back on a player that may have helped the league be more competitive because he is shadey.


The Denver Broncos (of the NFL) drafted Clarett in the 3rd round. They offerred him a contract to play in said NFL (despite the fact that he had tried to sue the very people he wanted to work for). Clarett opted not to take a standard third round contract, and instead to be paid almost exclusively through incentives (another stupid decision). The Broncos released him before the season because he sucked (leaving him with little $). What more should the NFL have done for him?

The NFL gave him a shot despite his character issues (rap sheet), despite his laziness (showed up fatto camp), and despite his already having sued them once. I hope the NFL one day "fails me" in the same way (I'd take the signing bonus ;-D ).
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Postby Bowie » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:20 pm

moochman wrote:My point was not that society failed Clarett, though it can be argued, but that the NFL in wanting players without rap sheets didn't exactly bend backwards to allow Clarett into the NFL.


And one more thing: Why should the NFL bend over backwards to employ someone with a rap sheet? It's funny, because usually they are criticized for forgiving too many players of their crimes for the sake of their talent.
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Postby moochman » Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:24 am

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moochman wrote:My point was not that society failed Clarett, though it can be argued, but that the NFL in wanting players without rap sheets didn't exactly bend backwards to allow Clarett into the NFL.


And one more thing: Why should the NFL bend over backwards to employ someone with a rap sheet? It's funny, because usually they are criticized for forgiving too many players of their crimes for the sake of their talent.


You're missing my point. Clarett may not have had the problems he did if the NCAA let him play and prepared him for life, instead of insisting that he take courses that would do nothing for him. The NFL didn't let him enter the draft and he lost a year. Did that year do him any good? The Broncos were Shanahan enough to risk a pick on him, but his time had passed. Now he has become a determent to society instead of a tax paying football player who could have more time to mature and figure things out.
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Postby Bowie » Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:54 am

moochman wrote:Clarett may not have had the problems he did if the NCAA let him play and prepared him for life, instead of insisting that he take courses that would do nothing for him.


You mean, like, college classes? Because he was going to college?

moochman wrote:The NFL didn't let him enter the draft and he lost a year.


So the NFL should have bent its rules because a high profile player was too lazy to study?

moochman wrote:Did that year do him any good?


Clearly not. But that year off was nobody's fault but his.
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Postby Bowie » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:00 pm

I suppose you also blame the Ohio state government for writing the fraud laws Clarret went on to break during his insurance incident?
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Postby moochman » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:09 pm

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moochman wrote:Clarett may not have had the problems he did if the NCAA let him play and prepared him for life, instead of insisting that he take courses that would do nothing for him.


You mean, like, college classes? Because he was going to college?

No I mean what I wrote. They don't offer the courses that would prepare an idiot for life. The hypocracy in the NCAA thinking that many student athletes can benefit from the courses they insist they take is laughable. Do you think Clarett is the only one who has others take tests for him?


moochman wrote:The NFL didn't let him enter the draft and he lost a year.


So the NFL should have bent its rules because a high profile player was too lazy to study?

It's called hardship, and Clarett clearly qualified. Why doesn't the NFL allow it?

moochman wrote:Did that year do him any good?


Clearly not. But that year off was nobody's fault but his.


It wasn't Clarett's fault. He played by the rules Ohio State laid out before him, but somone blew the whistle and the student athlete paid for it. Do you think if nobody had come forward that OSU would have kicked him out?
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