deacon wrote:Have any of you actually watched the Dolphins play? I can't lay much blame on Brown yet. In the 3 games that I have watched he appears to be getting the maximum production out of the situation he is put in. The biggest problem with the running game is the coaches. They are not giving the run game a chance to excel. Brown had 26 carries against Ten but other than that game has had 15, 15, 12, and 17 carries. When the run game is not producing the only way to get it to work is to keep pounding.
It is what Min is doing with Chester. His blocking etc. is no better than Browns but Min commits to the run and keeps running and running and running regardless of the ypc. Eventually the D gets worn out and running becomes easier but you can't tire out a D line with 12 carries a game.
Hutch Richardson
Exactly. To compare Chester's blocking to Ronnie's is outrageous. Also, when you look at guys who did well behind terrible o-lines (oh like LT) they usually had something like a great blocking FB (say, Neal) going for them. Ronnie's got nothing, and his coach won't even give the run a chance.
First the o-line, 2nd the OC, 3rd Saban, then Ronnie are to blame.
Considering how lousy the 'Fins offense has been I think there's plenty of blame to go around. C-Pepp, the Line, Ronnie, the Coaches, etc. All share at least some responsibility for that fustercluck.
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I have to agree with the posters and disagree with that article. the writer is just trying to be different by not blaming the fins woes on the QB or O-line. Ronnie Brown has looked good in the game I saw him in, and I've seen vents of frustration by ff "experts" that the fins don't use Ronnie enough, who is clearly the best part of the fins offense.
Bottom line, you can't produce without the opportunity. The dolphins, for whatever reason, refuse to give their running game a chance. Unless the coaching staff changes their philosophy, Brown is in for a disappointing year.
I think this is outrageous. If you watched the game last week you would see what the problem is. It is the offensive line. There was a play that I especially remember during the game in which the fins had an off tackle play to the right where the gaurd gets blown back 3 yards in the backfield, Brown runs into him, he nearly falls down, but somehow makes it back to the line of scrimmage. A great play like this turns into nothing for Brown. The O-Line is atrocious.
Brown runs the ball hard every time he gets the ball. He's never going to be a Hall of Fame back but he is a good NFL back. He is definitely not the problem in Miami.
This article is not only ludicrous, it's downright irresponsible to write based mainly on the fact that for this guy to come to this conclusion he would have to do so purely by looking at statlines and without actually watching the games.
Ronnie Brown has some tremendous runs where he makes one guy miss, spins off another and breaks a tackle. These runs generally net him anywhere from zero to three yards because of how many guys there are in the backfield or at the line.
The line's run-blocking is not awful, it is far, far beyond that.
deacon wrote:Have any of you actually watched the Dolphins play? I can't lay much blame on Brown yet. In the 3 games that I have watched he appears to be getting the maximum production out of the situation he is put in. The biggest problem with the running game is the coaches. They are not giving the run game a chance to excel. Brown had 26 carries against Ten but other than that game has had 15, 15, 12, and 17 carries. When the run game is not producing the only way to get it to work is to keep pounding.
It is what Min is doing with Chester. His blocking etc. is no better than Browns but Min commits to the run and keeps running and running and running regardless of the ypc. Eventually the D gets worn out and running becomes easier but you can't tire out a D line with 12 carries a game.
Hutch Richardson
Exactly. To compare Chester's blocking to Ronnie's is outrageous. Also, when you look at guys who did well behind terrible o-lines (oh like LT) they usually had something like a great blocking FB (say, Neal) going for them. Ronnie's got nothing, and his coach won't even give the run a chance.
First the o-line, 2nd the OC, 3rd Saban, then Ronnie are to blame.
Just because you know the O-line players and the fact that they were past pro bowl blockers doesn't make them a great line right now! Once again people please watch the games and don't just focus on the personnel.
Right now Chester Taylor has a 3.8 ypc average. These are the teams that have a lower ypc average: Jets, Cle, Det, Az, Hou, GB, Balt, Sea.
What is the common denomonator here? Bad O-line blocking!
With this being a fantasy forum I understand that many of you draw conclusions based on stats alone but as we all know stats only tell part of the story. I base my analysis on the fact that I have watched Minnesota and Miami play so the comparison is not ludicrous.
So here is what is happening in Minn:
1 - the line is doing a fantastic job of opening holes but the RB is falling down and not gaining much
2 - the line is not opening holes and the RB is being stuffed at or just beyond the line
What seems more plausible to you?
The Miami O-line is horrible but the Minnesota O-line is not the powerhouse (not yet anyway) that many of you think they are.
Miami is averaging 84 yards rushing per game, with 27 rushes per
Minnesota is averaging 104 yds per game, with 21 rushes per.
Let's see...6 more rushes per game at 3.8 ypc means about 21 more yard per game which is the difference between these two teams average ypg. Hmmm, seems to me like the Minnesota O-line is performing about the same as the Miami O-line.
deacon wrote:Have any of you actually watched the Dolphins play? I can't lay much blame on Brown yet. In the 3 games that I have watched he appears to be getting the maximum production out of the situation he is put in. The biggest problem with the running game is the coaches. They are not giving the run game a chance to excel. Brown had 26 carries against Ten but other than that game has had 15, 15, 12, and 17 carries. When the run game is not producing the only way to get it to work is to keep pounding.
It is what Min is doing with Chester. His blocking etc. is no better than Browns but Min commits to the run and keeps running and running and running regardless of the ypc. Eventually the D gets worn out and running becomes easier but you can't tire out a D line with 12 carries a game.
Hutch Richardson
Exactly. To compare Chester's blocking to Ronnie's is outrageous. Also, when you look at guys who did well behind terrible o-lines (oh like LT) they usually had something like a great blocking FB (say, Neal) going for them. Ronnie's got nothing, and his coach won't even give the run a chance.
First the o-line, 2nd the OC, 3rd Saban, then Ronnie are to blame.
Just because you know the O-line players and the fact that they were past pro bowl blockers doesn't make them a great line right now! Once again people please watch the games and don't just focus on the personnel.
Right now Chester Taylor has a 3.8 ypc average. These are the teams that have a lower ypc average: Jets, Cle, Det, Az, Hou, GB, Balt, Sea. What is the common denomonator here? Bad O-line blocking!
With this being a fantasy forum I understand that many of you draw conclusions based on stats alone but as we all know stats only tell part of the story. I base my analysis on the fact that I have watched Minnesota and Miami play so the comparison is not ludicrous.
So here is what is happening in Minn:
1 - the line is doing a fantastic job of opening holes but the RB is falling down and not gaining much
2 - the line is not opening holes and the RB is being stuffed at or just beyond the line
What seems more plausible to you?
The Miami O-line is horrible but the Minnesota O-line is not the powerhouse (not yet anyway) that many of you think they are.
Miami is averaging 84 yards rushing per game, with 27 rushes per Minnesota is averaging 104 yds per game, with 21 rushes per.
Let's see...6 more rushes per game at 3.8 ypc means about 21 more yard per game which is the difference between these two teams average ypg. Hmmm, seems to me like the Minnesota O-line is performing about the same as the Miami O-line.
But I guess I don't know what I am talking about.
But I guess
I see your point, but, the only reason the dolphins are anywhere close to those averages is due to the fact that they have gained nearly 100 yards via the reverse.
Chambers himself has 74 yards, and Booker has 19 yards.
You take those runs away from the team and they have a dismal average of 65.8 ypg and an even worse 3.1 ypc. You can't tell me that that is not just horrendous, my friend.
The reverses my friend have nothing to do with the offensive line. Saying that the Fins line is even close to the Vikings is invalid, imo
deacon wrote:Have any of you actually watched the Dolphins play? I can't lay much blame on Brown yet. In the 3 games that I have watched he appears to be getting the maximum production out of the situation he is put in. The biggest problem with the running game is the coaches. They are not giving the run game a chance to excel. Brown had 26 carries against Ten but other than that game has had 15, 15, 12, and 17 carries. When the run game is not producing the only way to get it to work is to keep pounding.
It is what Min is doing with Chester. His blocking etc. is no better than Browns but Min commits to the run and keeps running and running and running regardless of the ypc. Eventually the D gets worn out and running becomes easier but you can't tire out a D line with 12 carries a game.
Hutch Richardson
Exactly. To compare Chester's blocking to Ronnie's is outrageous. Also, when you look at guys who did well behind terrible o-lines (oh like LT) they usually had something like a great blocking FB (say, Neal) going for them. Ronnie's got nothing, and his coach won't even give the run a chance.
First the o-line, 2nd the OC, 3rd Saban, then Ronnie are to blame.
Just because you know the O-line players and the fact that they were past pro bowl blockers doesn't make them a great line right now! Once again people please watch the games and don't just focus on the personnel.
Right now Chester Taylor has a 3.8 ypc average. These are the teams that have a lower ypc average: Jets, Cle, Det, Az, Hou, GB, Balt, Sea. What is the common denomonator here? Bad O-line blocking!
With this being a fantasy forum I understand that many of you draw conclusions based on stats alone but as we all know stats only tell part of the story. I base my analysis on the fact that I have watched Minnesota and Miami play so the comparison is not ludicrous.
So here is what is happening in Minn:
1 - the line is doing a fantastic job of opening holes but the RB is falling down and not gaining much
2 - the line is not opening holes and the RB is being stuffed at or just beyond the line
What seems more plausible to you?
The Miami O-line is horrible but the Minnesota O-line is not the powerhouse (not yet anyway) that many of you think they are.
Miami is averaging 84 yards rushing per game, with 27 rushes per Minnesota is averaging 104 yds per game, with 21 rushes per.
Let's see...6 more rushes per game at 3.8 ypc means about 21 more yard per game which is the difference between these two teams average ypg. Hmmm, seems to me like the Minnesota O-line is performing about the same as the Miami O-line.
But I guess I don't know what I am talking about.
But I guess
Wow, there's a lot more to judging the line than ypc. You swap Ronnie Brown and Chester Taylor and those numbers end up quite different.
Simply put, it's been quite some time since I've seen a run-blocking line as bad as the Dolphin's line is this year. Anyone that's seen a couple Dolphin games can clearly see that.
Let's not get it twisted. I am not in any way saying the Miami O-line is good. I agree they have one of the worst. They are still not as bad as the Az line but far ahead.
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