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Postby SeaWolf » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:38 pm

Matthias wrote:It's not a cop's job to give someone, "what they deserve." It's a cop's job to maintain order and maintain peace. In this instance, it was the cop's job to escort the guy out of the building. And that could have been accomplished without inflicting unnecessary pain on the kid. To do so is to exceed the bounds of the responsibility that the police officer has been entrusted.

It is incumbent especially on those who are charged with protecting the law that they follow it themselves.


I see nothing wrong with that guy being tasered. They gave him many warnings and he still would not comply. Am I the only one who feels tasering is exsessive?
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Postby Matthias » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:41 pm

SeaWolf wrote:
Matthias wrote:It's not a cop's job to give someone, "what they deserve." It's a cop's job to maintain order and maintain peace. In this instance, it was the cop's job to escort the guy out of the building. And that could have been accomplished without inflicting unnecessary pain on the kid. To do so is to exceed the bounds of the responsibility that the police officer has been entrusted.

It is incumbent especially on those who are charged with protecting the law that they follow it themselves.


I see nothing wrong with that guy being tasered. They gave him many warnings and he still would not comply. Am I the only one who feels tasering is exsessive?


Not excessive, you mean? Because I think it's clearly excessive.
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Postby steelerfan513 » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:46 pm

SeaWolf wrote:
Matthias wrote:It's not a cop's job to give someone, "what they deserve." It's a cop's job to maintain order and maintain peace. In this instance, it was the cop's job to escort the guy out of the building. And that could have been accomplished without inflicting unnecessary pain on the kid. To do so is to exceed the bounds of the responsibility that the police officer has been entrusted.

It is incumbent especially on those who are charged with protecting the law that they follow it themselves.


I see nothing wrong with that guy being tasered. They gave him many warnings and he still would not comply. Am I the only one who feels tasering is exsessive?


just because someone disobeys an order, especially just refusing to get up, doesnt mean that the cops have the right to use their highest force on him. they couldve picked him up and carried him out, but instead they unnecessarily tasered him multiple times after he was in cuffs. had they just carried him away, there would be no controversy in this case; it would just be a very weird case of resisting arrest.
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Postby SeaWolf » Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:39 pm

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SeaWolf wrote:
Matthias wrote:It's not a cop's job to give someone, "what they deserve." It's a cop's job to maintain order and maintain peace. In this instance, it was the cop's job to escort the guy out of the building. And that could have been accomplished without inflicting unnecessary pain on the kid. To do so is to exceed the bounds of the responsibility that the police officer has been entrusted.

It is incumbent especially on those who are charged with protecting the law that they follow it themselves.


I see nothing wrong with that guy being tasered. They gave him many warnings and he still would not comply. Am I the only one who feels tasering is exsessive?


just because someone disobeys an order, especially just refusing to get up, doesnt mean that the cops have the right to use their highest force on him. they couldve picked him up and carried him out, but instead they unnecessarily tasered him multiple times after he was in cuffs. had they just carried him away, there would be no controversy in this case; it would just be a very weird case of resisting arrest.


I'm sorry but thier GUNS would have been the highest force to use on him.

They didn't do a Rodney King to him. They TAZERD him. He had many warnings to stand up, M A N Y warnings and he STILL refused. No matter what anyone says I side with the cops on this one.

You can not put yourselves in the shoes of a police officer. Everyone like to second guess them. The only one here who can really speak for them has not spoken.
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Postby Thursday » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:28 am

SeaWolf wrote:
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SeaWolf wrote:
Matthias wrote:It's not a cop's job to give someone, "what they deserve." It's a cop's job to maintain order and maintain peace. In this instance, it was the cop's job to escort the guy out of the building. And that could have been accomplished without inflicting unnecessary pain on the kid. To do so is to exceed the bounds of the responsibility that the police officer has been entrusted.

It is incumbent especially on those who are charged with protecting the law that they follow it themselves.


I see nothing wrong with that guy being tasered. They gave him many warnings and he still would not comply. Am I the only one who feels tasering is exsessive?


just because someone disobeys an order, especially just refusing to get up, doesnt mean that the cops have the right to use their highest force on him. they couldve picked him up and carried him out, but instead they unnecessarily tasered him multiple times after he was in cuffs. had they just carried him away, there would be no controversy in this case; it would just be a very weird case of resisting arrest.


I'm sorry but thier GUNS would have been the highest force to use on him.

They didn't do a Rodney King to him. They TAZERD him. He had many warnings to stand up, M A N Y warnings and he STILL refused. No matter what anyone says I side with the cops on this one.

You can not put yourselves in the shoes of a police officer. Everyone like to second guess them. The only one here who can really speak for them has not spoken.


I tend to agree with you here. There's a general mistrust of cops all around, and this dude really, really, REALLY, wanted to make a situation, in my opinion. I agree with whoever else it was who said that anyone that's babbling about Patriot Act or whatever could certainly stand up. This video really doesn't tell the whole story.
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Postby lmcjaho » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:38 pm

Matthias wrote:It's not a cop's job to give someone, "what they deserve." It's a cop's job to maintain order and maintain peace.


It's the kid's job to obey the lawful order of the cops, and if he doesn't, it is their job to use the force necessary to ensure he does in order to maintain order and peace. If they felt the tazer was necessary in this case - the tazer it is.
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Postby Matthias » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:53 pm

lmcjaho wrote:
Matthias wrote:It's not a cop's job to give someone, "what they deserve." It's a cop's job to maintain order and maintain peace.


It's the kid's job to obey the lawful order of the cops, and if he doesn't, it is their job to use the force necessary to ensure he does in order to maintain order and peace. If they felt the tazer was necessary in this case - the tazer it is.


There's a big difference between those two things. One of them is a standard of what is actually necessary, the other is whatever they believe to be necessary. If they had believed that it was necessary to hit him in the head with a club or shoot him in the leg, they're ok under the second standard but not ok under the first. And that's the whole point. Just because a cop believes something is necessary does not mean that it actually is or that everyone else believes it is or that the cop should be not held accountable for bad judgment. Because that's really what we're talking about here.

If they had only used the force necessary to maintain order and peace, we would not be having this discussion.
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Postby Metroid » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:57 pm

I think a few more hugs for the kid when he was a child would have prevented all of this. O:-)
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Postby lmcjaho » Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:20 pm

Matthias wrote:But even from your perspective, if the kid had died from the tazer (which has happened), do you still think he would have gotten what he had deserved?


Not necessarily, but I do think it would have helped the gene pool in the long run providing he hadn't already spread his seed.

Matthias wrote:If they had only used the force necessary to maintain order and peace, we would not be having this discussion.


Umm, yes we would - because they did, and we are...
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Postby Sixxgunn » Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:02 pm

How many times did they say "Stand up"? Disobey the officers and pay for it. No pity. He was acting like a child throwing a temper tantrum, and definitely deserved it. It's guys like him that cause police to act the way they do to everyone.
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