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Postby stomperrob » Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:48 pm

From today's Detroit Free press:

News bulletin
Congressman to introduce bill to reinstate military draft

November 20, 2006

JOHN HEILPRIN.
Associated Press

WASHINGTON — Americans would have to sign up for a new military draft after turning 18 under a bill the incoming chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee says he will introduce next year.

Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., said Sunday he sees his idea as a way to deter politicians from launching wars.

“There’s no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm’s way,” Rangel said.

Rangel, a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored legislation on conscription in the past, has said the all-volunteer military disproportionately puts the burden of war on minorities and lower-income families.

Rangel said he will propose a measure early next year. While he said he is serious about the proposal, there is little evident support among the public or lawmakers for it.

In 2003, Rangel proposed a measure covering people age 18 to 26. It was defeated 402-2 the following year. This year, he offered a plan to mandate military service for men and women between age 18 and 42; it went nowhere in the Republican-led Congress.

Democrats will control the House and Senate come January because of their victories in the Nov. 7 election.

At a time when some lawmakers are urging the military to send more troops to Iraq, “I don’t see how anyone can support the war and not support the draft,” said Rangel, who also proposed a draft in January 2003, before the U.S. invasion of Iraq. “I think to do so is hypocritical.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who is a colonel in the U.S. Air Force Standby Reserve, said he agreed that the U.S. does not have enough people in the military.

“I think we can do this with an all-voluntary service, all-voluntary Army, Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy. And if we can’t, then we’ll look for some other option,” said Graham, who is assigned as a reserve judge to the Air Force Court of Criminal Appeals.

Rangel, the next chairman of the House tax-writing committee, said he worried the military was being strained by its overseas commitments.

“If we’re going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can’t do that without a draft,” Rangel said.

He said having a draft would not necessarily mean everyone called to duty would have to serve. Instead, “young people (would) commit themselves to a couple of years in service to this great republic, whether it’s our seaports, our airports, in schools, in hospitals,” with a promise of educational benefits at the end of service.

Graham said he believes the all-voluntary military “represents the country pretty well
in terms of ethnic makeup, economic background.”

Repeated polls have shown that about seven in 10 Americans oppose reinstatement of the draft and officials say they do not expect to restart conscription.

Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told Congress in June 2005 that “there isn’t a chance in the world that the draft will be brought back.”

Yet the prospect of the long global fight against terrorism and the continuing U.S. commitment to stabilizing Iraq have kept the idea in the public’s mind.

The military drafted conscripts during the Civil War, both world wars and between 1948 and 1973. An agency independent of the Defense Department, the Selective Service System, keeps an updated registry of men age 18-25 — now about 16 million — from which to supply untrained draftees that would supplement the professional all-volunteer armed forces.

Rangel and Graham appeared on “Face the Nation” on CBS.
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Postby eman » Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:55 pm

He's got the right "idea", but there are many better options to making the politician's directly accountable than to reinstate the draft.
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Postby Dawinner127 » Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:58 pm

Yay! :-t Just what I want to do with my life. Go in the army when I could be taking over my father's business someday ;-D
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Postby BlueBandit24 » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:11 pm

I don't think there would be a quicker way to divide a nation than through a draft. Fortunately it doesn't seem there is any chance it gets re-implemented any time soon, I can't imagine involuntarily serving without any experience.
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Postby Dawinner127 » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:15 pm

BlueBandit24 wrote:I don't think there would be a quicker way to divide a nation than through a draft. Fortunately it doesn't seem there is any chance it gets re-implemented any time soon, I can't imagine involuntarily serving without any experience.

I hope it doesn't get re-implemented any time soon ;-D
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Postby SeaWolf » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:02 pm

I know I'm in the minority but I have always thought that serving in the military should be manditory. Most countries make it mantitory, we are one of the few who do not require military service.

There are too many people who take thier freedom for granted. They expect everything but give nothing. To serve in the military for even just 2 years would open the eyes of most people.

I expect a lashing from the Cafe memebers on this, but this is my opinion.
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Postby Dawinner127 » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:13 pm

SeaWolf wrote:I know I'm in the minority but I have always thought that serving in the military should be manditory. Most countries make it mantitory, we are one of the few who do not require military service.

There are too many people who take thier freedom for granted. They expect everything but give nothing. To serve in the military for even just 2 years would open the eyes of most people.

I expect a lashing from the Cafe memebers on this, but this is my opinion.

I'm not going to bash you or anything, but I really don't feel like spending 2 years in the army when I can be in college learning my father's business techniques, rather than be in the army for 2 years. I don't know, it's just my opinion.
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Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:17 pm

There are already so many people against the armed forces that think and say bad things about them, the draft returning would just create more.
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Postby SeaWolf » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:20 pm

Dawinner127 wrote:
SeaWolf wrote:I know I'm in the minority but I have always thought that serving in the military should be manditory. Most countries make it mantitory, we are one of the few who do not require military service.

There are too many people who take thier freedom for granted. They expect everything but give nothing. To serve in the military for even just 2 years would open the eyes of most people.

I expect a lashing from the Cafe memebers on this, but this is my opinion.

I'm not going to bash you or anything, but I really don't feel like spending 2 years in the army when I can be in college learning my father's business techniques, rather than be in the army for 2 years. I don't know, it's just my opinion.


Don't know what your father's business is but there are more things in the military than just firing a gun. If it was not for the Air Force I would not be where I am today. IMO 2 years is nothing to live in a free country.
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Postby Dawinner127 » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:25 pm

A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:There are already so many people against the armed forces that think and say bad things about them, the draft returning would just create more.

I agree with you. I think if the draft did come back, there would be more problems than there is now.

SeaWolf wrote:Don't know what your father's business is but there are more things in the military than just firing a gun. If it was not for the Air Force I would not be where I am today. IMO 2 years is nothing to live in a free country.

The thing is, my father's business has been a family tradition for the oldest son to take over right after they graduate high school\college. This business has been like this for a good ammount of years (60 something).
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