I never said he was a bad Fantasy QB, but he's not a good one either, he's too inconsistant to trust.
Taking Fantasy Football out of the mix, he is probably the worst QB in the NFL. He is dumb, he can't read defenses, and after he looks at his first read he pulls it down and takes off. He doesn't have any patience back there, he's always looking to run first.
[b]QB's [/b] E. MANNING / KITNA / CUTLER
[b]RBs[/b] R BROWN / WESTBROOK (R BUSH / MCGAHEE / L BETTS / D WILLIAMS )
[b]WRs[/b] ROY WILLIAMS / T OWENS / A JOHNSON / BERRIAN
[b]TE[/b] WITTEN / WATSON
He also got half his passing TD total in a two game span as well. That's not very consistent in my opinion. If you take out those 7 td passes he's averaging less than 1 td per game. Sure he has consistency... just it's 12-14 points per game.
A couple of great games a great fantasy Quarterback does not make.
Chris Peterson built up a pretty good straw man arguement, but for me (and probably a lot of others) it just doesn't fly.
If you eliminate his best and worst totals from the year and average it
In standard scoring (and In Brackets 1 point per 20 rush/receive yard, 1 per 50 passing, 4 points per passing TD, 6 for all others) [and in square brackets 1 point per 10 rush/receive yard, 1 per 30 passing, 4 points per passing TD, 6 for all others]
What does this all mean? First of all it's clear the author used statistics that favoured Vick. Of course when he's getting 10 yds per point rushing he's going to have inflated numbers, but as soon as you got to 15 or 20 yds per point suddenly his value come crashign down. While Vick may go off and have a big day a couple times a year, he will also have a couple of below average stinkers.
While Vick may be a top 5 in the [author of the article scoring format] in ("50 touchdows 50% yardage) he's usesless, and in standard scoring he finds himself somehwere in the middle.
Some of you are just like the thick-headed Fanball editors he describes in his article. Vick has 870 rushing yards! He ranks 11th in the entire NFL, ahead of Brian Westbrook, Joseph Addai, Ronnie Brown, Jamal Lewis, Willis McGahee, and Kevin Jones, just to name a few, and will easily eclipse 1000 yards rushing this year.
Are some of you guys blind? Did you miss the following:
50% touchdowns, 50% yardage, Quarterback-Heavy (1 point per 20 rush/receive yard, 1 per 50 passing, 6 points per passing TD, 6 for all others): Rank Player Points 1 Peyton Manning 192.8 2 Drew Brees 175.5 3 Donovan McNabb 174.8 4 Carson Palmer 170.6 5 Tom Brady 162.4 6 Michael Vick 157.0
He showed the data for Vick in formats that specifically go against him as great as possible - in leagues where rushing yardage is only 1 point per 20 yards rushing, and passing TDs (which Vick doesn't have a lot of) are 6 points and greatly favor other QBs. And Vick is still #6. And I'm willing to bet that in leagues where QBs receive one point per 25 yards passing, Vick is still a top 10 fantasy QB. If you're still doubtful, try it in your league. Sort all the QBs by fantasy points and see where Vick lands.
Like the author, I am simply amazed that people continue to ignore Vick's value as a fantasy QB when it's staring them right in the face. And similarly, I'll continue to score the steal of the draft when Vick falls to me in the 10th or 11th rounds of drafts next year.
Azrael wrote:He also fails to point out how Vick is absolutely, completely worthless in TD heavy leagues, or leagues where you only get points upon meeting yardage threshholds such as 300yds passing or 100yds rushing.
Does anyone play in those kinds of leagues?
Is there really a league where a RB or QB only receives points if he exceeds 100 yards rushing? Or a WR, TE, or RB must exceed 100 yards receiving? And if he only puts up 99 yards he gets zero? And if a QB throws for 299 he gets zero? I can see bonus points for achieving the milestone, but zero points for not crossing the threshold is gotta be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of.
Yep, I'm in one.
I'm not denying Vick's value this year. In my main money league , he is just 2 points away from being the No. 1 QB.
Here's Vick's game by game scoring in that league
18, 25, 10, 16, 18, 29, 28, 17, 18, 14, 19
212pts, 104 or nearly half have come from rushing.
He's averaging 19.27 points per game this year, 9.45 points have come from rushing, 9.82 from passing.
Doing a quick and dirty on his 2004 and 2005 stats we see that Vick averaged 17.13 points per game in 2004, 7.2 from rushing, 9.93 from passing; and 16.73 ppg in 2005, 6.33 from rushing and 10.4 from passing
It appears to me from the stats that his passing performance is just never going to change. It's because his rushing performance is up almost 3 full points per game that he is doing so well this year. You might not think 3ppg is that much but it is monumental. Palmer is averaging 17.6 ppg and Grossman is averaging 14.8...which one would you rather have. 3 points per game is the difference between a solid starting QB and a guy that makes you scour the WW every week.
All I'm saying is that I'm not going to be all over Vick next year because of this year. I don't think he can put up near 1,200 yards every year. It's what we call a career year.
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I start Vick every week in my main league. Eli was initially my starter and I drafted Vick as the 24th QB taken in the draft.
He is currently 5th in our scoring format, and his worst game this season was 137yds passing and 57 rushing with no TDs. Brees, Peyton and McNabb have ALL had an equivalently poor game compared to that.
I dont see all the fuss. The dude cant pass for nuts but right now I am more than happy starting him every week.
deacon wrote:C'mon Lung! You know you can't tell grown folk nothing!
Sadly, I'm starting to come to that realization.
Here's something I just received today from the ESPN.com Fantasy Newsletter:
Why all the hatred for Michael Vick? For fantasy football owners, Vick has actually never been better than in 2006. Here are five reasons to like Vick in fantasy.
The numbers are there: Unless your league gives extra points for passing yards, the overall fantasy value of Vick is excellent. Only three quarterbacks have more ESPN fantasy points this season. Stop worrying about how Vick gets his points, or the fact he's always been known as a highlight machine, and just be thankful he's having a career season statistically as well.
He's consistent: Vick has reached double digit fantasy points in every game, and topped 20 points three times. Vick doesn't cost owners games with poor performances. In contrast, Donovan McNabb, Drew Brees and Peyton Manning, fantasy's top three QBs, have combined for five games in single digits.
Run, Michael, run: Vick might reach 1,000 yards rushing as soon as this week. Most quarterbacks face a tough passing defense every few weeks, or weather issues, or just an off-game, but when a QB supplement his value by running, he often avoids such pitfalls. Consider that only 10 running backs have more rushing yards than Vick, and one realizes we're seeing a special season indeed.
Big game possibility: With his seven passing touchdowns in Weeks 7-8, Vick showed us he's capable of airing it out and throwing for big numbers, even though he's relied on running since. In the past there was little threat of terrific passing games. If you're going to play a fantasy QB because he might have a big game, why not play this one, who can also run like no other QB?
Motivation: The Falcons' four-game losing streak, and watered down NFC, ensures that each game will be critical to Vick and his team. There won't be any clinching of playoff spots early. He won't be benched. And Vick's recent off-field issues shouldn't affect his on-field play negatively. Week 12 was his fourth-best fantasy game of the season, so he's not slumping. And Atlanta's schedule still features struggling defenses like Tampa Bay and Philly.