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Postby spodog » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:30 pm

We have one game remaining in our regular season. In our playoff format, we take 3 division winners and 1 wildcard team to our 4 team playoff format.

There is a pretty good chance that we will actually have 7 different teams tied for the Wildcard spot with an overall record of 7-7.

Our Wildcard Playoff Rule tiebreaker system is worded like this:

1) Overall Record, if still tied, then . . .
2) Head to Head Record, if still tied, then . . .
3) Division Record, if still tied, then . . .
4) Total Points Scored during Season

My question to you all is how to apply the #2 item in the list.

When 2 teams are tied, it is pretty simple, you just compare how they fared against each other during the season.

With the possibility of 7 teams tied, it seems reasonable that the #2 tiebreaker decision would be administered as follows:

Determine each candidate teams composite “head to head” record against the other 6 teams that are tied, and then the team with the best winning percentage from that analysis is declared to have the best head to head record. If a subset of the 7 teams has identical best H2H records, then only those teams would have tiebreaker #3 applied.

Are there other ways to apply the “head to head” tiebreaker ?
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Postby eaglesrule » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:35 pm

rule 2 is thrown out. No such thing as "head to head" for more than two teams.
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Postby The Miner Part 2 » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:40 pm

move number 4 to number 2 and your problem is solved.
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Postby TheDiplomats » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:06 pm

The Miner Part 2 wrote:move number 4 to number 2 and your problem is solved.

Agreed. This is the best path to go down.
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Postby spodog » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:35 pm

TheDiplomats wrote:
The Miner Part 2 wrote:move number 4 to number 2 and your problem is solved.

Agreed. This is the best path to go down.


What you guys are recommending is to CHANGE the playoff tiebreaker rules 1 week before the season ends.

This is not a viable idea. We'd have a mutiny in our league if we did this. :-t

What I really need are opinions on how to administer the rules that already exist.

Other thoughts?
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Postby johnnyfb » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:37 pm

Reward season consistency at that point - let the top scorer take the spot.
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Postby aaawall91 » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:39 pm

Theres nothing you can do with number 2, so move on to number 3 and find your winner. Because number 2 would be unfair and complicated, because it would be based soley on how many games you played against those certain teams, for instance one team could have played one and won and another could play 3 teams and won, and they would be tied, by pertenage, if you go by wins, one team could play 5 of them and win 3 and one could play 3 and win 3, ect. I'm not sure if this holds true because I haven't played a league with divisions at this point in it.
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Postby BeefSandwiches » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:46 pm

Our league has the same tie-breakers and it is applied in the same way the NFL applies the rule:

Three or More Clubs
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).


http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakers

You take the combined record of the teams in games played amongst each other.
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Postby Twisted Sister » Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:47 pm

Head to head DOES work with multiple teams ONLY if 1 team sweeps all others or you progress through all the logic and one team is awarded a spot (thus restarting the logic for the remaining teams).

Lets say team A, B, C are all have the same total record, but:

Team A beat team B and C
Team B beat team C


Then it's simple - Team A would advance, then you start the logic over and team B would advance.

Lets say
Team A beat team B
Team B beat team C
Team C beat team A

You must progress to the next tie-break.

Now on the next tie break Team B is #1, Team A is #2 and team C is #3... Team B would advance.

If you have a remaining wildcard spot... Team A, although #2 on this tiebreak, would actually lose. The reason is because you have to progress through the tiebreak logic again AS IF there were only 2 teams. As we know, Team C beat Team A in head to head.

It's really on a situation by situation basis - some situations are not clear cut.

Anybody want to chime in, I think I have this right per NFL.
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Postby Matthias » Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:59 pm

spodog wrote:
TheDiplomats wrote:
The Miner Part 2 wrote:move number 4 to number 2 and your problem is solved.

Agreed. This is the best path to go down.


What you guys are recommending is to CHANGE the playoff tiebreaker rules 1 week before the season ends.

This is not a viable idea. We'd have a mutiny in our league if we did this. :-t

What I really need are opinions on how to administer the rules that already exist.

Other thoughts?


They have it exactly right. The idea that you can come up with a winner of Head to Head with 7 teams just won't work. Noone is going to have swept anyone and so you're going to have A beat B but B beat D but D beat C and C beat A.

You're not going to get a mutiny. You're going to get the only solution which will work.
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