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Postby bmault » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:00 pm

Just heard today on ESPN radio that the NFL network is going to be carrying the Rutgers bowl game . ( I know, I know, its Rutgers, who cares) Less than 30% of NJ/Metro NY gets the NFL network. What a bad PR move. Its the biggest thing to come out of NJ Football (remember the Empire State Building soaked in crimson? C'mon NFL, don't be greedy. Could this be asign of things to come???
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Postby J_rob_the_ Baller » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:08 pm

well, if you are in charge of trying to get cable and satalite providers to start carrying the NFL Network, its a very smart move. People who cant watch the game wont get mad at the NFL network for airing the game, they will get mad at their cable/satalite provider for not carrying the NFL network. The more customers that complain, the more providers pick up the network.

Thats why they have Thursday games this year. The NFL can say what they want, but its a big ploy to get providers to carry their network.

I garuntee that a good number of fans of teams playing on thursday nights are pissed cause they dont have NFL network, and I would bet a good portion of them let their cable providers know how unhappy they were about it.

From a fans standpoint, it sucks.
From a marketing standpoint, its brilliant
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Postby Humpback » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:10 pm

I heard that it will be televised in the NY metro area on a local station as well. I do think it's a sign of things to come though- I expect the NFL network to grow significantly over the next few years.
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Postby TheDiplomats » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:53 pm

I have NFL Network and it's pretty neat. They have replays of the 4 best games throughout the week not mentioning the fact that they air thursday nights game. I wouldn't blame the NFL Network, I'd blame cable/sattelite companies that are too cheap to carry it.
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Postby eaglesrule » Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:07 pm

I think its weird. That said, I thought it was the height of poseurdom for New Yorkers to get on the bandwagon like that.

I have lived in New Jersey basically most of my childhood and growing up years, and new yokr most of my adult years (until a recent move to DC). New Yorkers are so snotty towards New JErsey folk. Tons of people live in Hoboken, West New York, Jersey City and work in Manhattan. Of course, New Yorkers look down their nose at those people and say "they aren't new yorkers" Then they have the audactiy to have both of their NFL team play in New Jersey and cover the Empire State Buidling in Crimson.

new brunswick is on the way to, but not really anywhere near new york.
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Postby beanoX3 » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:34 pm

J_rob_the_ Baller wrote:well, if you are in charge of trying to get cable and satalite providers to start carrying the NFL Network, its a very smart move. People who cant watch the game wont get mad at the NFL network for airing the game, they will get mad at their cable/satalite provider for not carrying the NFL network. The more customers that complain, the more providers pick up the network.

Thats why they have Thursday games this year. The NFL can say what they want, but its a big ploy to get providers to carry their network.

I garuntee that a good number of fans of teams playing on thursday nights are pissed cause they dont have NFL network, and I would bet a good portion of them let their cable providers know how unhappy they were about it.

From a fans standpoint, it sucks.
From a marketing standpoint, its brilliant

Thing is, reports have come out that people aren't really flocking to their phones and complaining to their cable companies. The last thing I read about the whole turf war between cable companies and the NFL basically said the NFL is losing because people don't care all that much. At least not enough to call and complain.

We'll likely see a compromise, where the NFL lowers its asking fee and cable puts NFL Network on basic. And of course, us customers foot the extra costs and everyone but us is happy. Sort of...
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Postby eaglesrule » Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:53 pm

it will also be interesting to see what happens when congress takes a loot at the Direc TV thing.

It is a pretty unfair abuse of their anit-trust exemption IMO, and its pretty ridiculous considering how many stadiums are financed with public funding.

the NFL network thing is pretty dumb, but then again, I think many fans are so used to not being able to watch certain games, I don't feel compelling itnerest to be all bent out of shape if I couldn't see the Steelers Browns tonight.
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Postby BeefSandwiches » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:49 pm

eaglesrule wrote:it will also be interesting to see what happens when congress takes a loot at the Direc TV thing.


I read a short article on ESPN about this and I am not going to even act like I fully understand anti-trust laws, but do they expect DirecTV to just provide all the games for free? If DirecTV "loses" in this fight, they will simply stop showing NFL games other than what is provided by other channels - cable and broadcast.

The major networks have been providing mainly regional coverage for years and no one said CBS or FOX should allow everyone in the country to watch all games covered by CBS or FOX anywhere in the country. ESPN has had exclusive rights to broadcast certain games for years and no one said ESPN should be free programming.

Maybe I am missing the point, but wouldn't this apply to the majority of PPV sporting events?
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Postby Guru13 » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:54 pm

J_rob_the_ Baller wrote:well, if you are in charge of trying to get cable and satalite providers to start carrying the NFL Network, its a very smart move. People who cant watch the game wont get mad at the NFL network for airing the game, they will get mad at their cable/satalite provider for not carrying the NFL network. The more customers that complain, the more providers pick up the network.
Thats why they have Thursday games this year. The NFL can say what they want, but its a big ploy to get providers to carry their network.

I garuntee that a good number of fans of teams playing on thursday nights are pissed cause they dont have NFL network, and I would bet a good portion of them let their cable providers know how unhappy they were about it.

From a fans standpoint, it sucks.
From a marketing standpoint, its brilliant
that's probably the idea.
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Postby eaglesrule » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:42 pm

BeefSandwiches wrote:
eaglesrule wrote:it will also be interesting to see what happens when congress takes a loot at the Direc TV thing.


I read a short article on ESPN about this and I am not going to even act like I fully understand anti-trust laws, but do they expect DirecTV to just provide all the games for free? If DirecTV "loses" in this fight, they will simply stop showing NFL games other than what is provided by other channels - cable and broadcast.

The major networks have been providing mainly regional coverage for years and no one said CBS or FOX should allow everyone in the country to watch all games covered by CBS or FOX anywhere in the country. ESPN has had exclusive rights to broadcast certain games for years and no one said ESPN should be free programming.

Maybe I am missing the point, but wouldn't this apply to the majority of PPV sporting events?


im not na expert either. This has been a hobby horse of Gregg Easterbook for a while.

I think it boils down to the fact that they offered a total package, but its not avaiable to everyone. They offer a comprehensive package to everyone outside of the US--Mexico, Canada, England all can get all the games, and people in the middle east get all the best matchups. But, its Us tax payers front the majority of the bill for stadiums.

for anyone who doesn't read him, Easterbrook is a fantastic read every tuesday around lunch. He harps on the same points, but the guy is pretty smart. He writes for Salon (sometimes, where his NFL comlum originally resided), The New Republic (a news, feature, current events type deal), Beliefnet.org ( a religious ecumentical web site), has written several books on scientific things like global warming as well as generall progress, and is a member of the Brookings insitution. I think he is generally a good read on any of those subjects, and is obvisouly pretty damn smart. He loves the NFL, so he wirtes a mosntrous column every Tuesdya for ESPN.

I won't copy the whole thing, but the crux of his argument is snipped for your reading. you can read his whole column on ESPN page 2.

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This brings us to the real scandal in NFL broadcasting -- not the dispute about NFLN, but that the wonderful Sunday Ticket package, which allows consumers to bypass this problem by paying to see any game, can only be seen by the lucky few with DirecTV. Friends who have DirecTV tell me it's wonderful. But I can't get DirecTV, and millions of others can't either. Anyone who lives around trees or tall buildings cannot on a technical basis receive DirecTV; the phrase "anyone who lives around trees or tall buildings" describes half the United States. For example Bob Crane of Columbia, S.C., a Chicago Bears fan who tried to buy DirecTV, couldn't because the satellite signal cannot be received where he lives. Crane writes, "I was and am still furious that even though I was willing to pay the fee to see my Bears, a monopoly deal leaves me no way to obtain the service."

J. Pierpont Morgan's cartel was busted by Congress. Now Congress should bust the cartel that prevents millions of Americans from choosing for themselves what Sunday NFL game to watch.The wonderful NFL Sunday Ticket, restricted via NFL cartel arrangement to customers of DirecTV in the United States, is available to any cable customer in Canada, as noted by many frostback readers, including Kevin Heselton of Regina, Saskatchewan. This means Canadians get better access to NFL games, played in stadia funded by American taxpayers, than American taxpayers do. Is there somehow some need for the NFL to forbid all but DirecTV customers from choosing any game -- does this somehow advance the NFL business model? No, because as many international readers including Alex McLeish of Beaconsfield, United Kingdom, have reported, anyone who lives outside the United States can now watch any NFL game live by signing up for a Yahoo! streaming video service. Live outside the United States? The NFL is happy to let you watch whatever game you please. Are you an American whose taxes paid for the NFL's stadiums? Sorry, you are shafted.

In 1961, the pre-merger National Football League received an antitrust exemption from Congress, partly in return for its promise that all game broadcasts would be available equally to all Americans. For a decade, the most desirable broadcast service the NFL offers, Sunday Ticket, has been denied to the majority of Americans who don't or can't get DirecTV, in seeming defiance of the league's promise to Congress. Last year the NFL signed a contract that extends the cartel till 2011, and the reason was simple, DirecTV paid a lavish fee. But DirecTV shouldn't be able to buy something that violates at least the spirit, if not the letter, of the NFL's 1961 promise to Congress. As the new Congress takes its seat, the Senate Judiciary Committee has announced it will investigate NFL dealings with DirecTV. Sure the NFL and DirecTV signed a contract, but it's one that violates a public trust -- and Commissioner Roger Goodell, it will go better for you and the sport if you amend the Sunday Ticket deal on your own terms, rather than waiting for Congress to alter it for you. Unless, of course, you'd rather surrender the NFL's antitrust exemption.
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