Saddam To Be Hanged Within 30 Days - Fantasy Football Cafe 2014 Fantasy Football Cafe


Return to General Talk

Saddam To Be Hanged Within 30 Days

Moderator: Football Moderators

Postby Goatwhacker » Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:12 pm

boojumsnark25 wrote:
Haha, are you serious with that? History is not the "bottom line". History, yes, does repeat itself sometimes, but it is not a 100% guaranteed foreshadowing of what's going to happen. To say that history is always the future's prophet is ridiculous.


Here's the thing - you are trying to set yourself up as the future's prophet, trying to predict what would happen if Hussein tried to regain power and if he would die anyway before the situation in Iraq changed. With his execution, regardless of how you might feel about the death penalty, we can say with certainty he will not return to power.

But I'll say again - the effectiveness on life imprisonment depends on the next generation to agree with you, In the case of Iraq, it's not even the next generation, it's whatever the next regime thinks, and a new regime may not be far away. I hope the current Iraq government succeeds but who knows.
Goatwhacker
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar

Posts: 3010
Joined: 25 Sep 2004
Home Cafe: Football
Location: Flyover Country

Postby boojumsnark25 » Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:15 pm

Goatwhacker wrote:
boojumsnark25 wrote:
Haha, are you serious with that? History is not the "bottom line". History, yes, does repeat itself sometimes, but it is not a 100% guaranteed foreshadowing of what's going to happen. To say that history is always the future's prophet is ridiculous.


Here's the thing - you are trying to set yourself up as the future's prophet, trying to predict what would happen if Hussein tried to regain power and if he would die anyway before the situation in Iraq changed. With his execution, regardless of how you might feel about the death penalty, we can say with certainty he will not return to power.

But I'll say again - the effectiveness on life imprisonment depends on the next generation to agree with you, In the case of Iraq, it's not even the next generation, it's whatever the next regime thinks, and a new regime may not be far away. I hope the current Iraq government succeeds but who knows.


I never once said it was impossible for him to return to power. I'm saying it's highly unlikely. I'm not trying to be a prophet.

I'm against Saddam being executed. That is all I'm saying. Like I said, this conversation changed lanes without using a signal a couple times.
Image
boojumsnark25
Head Coach
Head Coach

User avatar

Posts: 1407
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Home Cafe: Football
Location: Erie, PA

Postby knapplc » Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:23 pm

boojumsnark25 wrote:I'm against Saddam being executed. That is all I'm saying. Like I said, this conversation changed lanes without using a signal a couple times.


I'm against executing anyone, too. I wish we had a St. Helena where we could send Saddam to live out his days in prison. But as small as the world is today, that's not a reality.
Image
How 'bout them Huskers!
knapplc
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Cafe WriterCafe RankerGolden Eagle EyeCafe MusketeerCafe Blackjack Weekly Winner
Posts: 18961
Joined: 27 Dec 2004
Home Cafe: Football
Location: It's an L, not an I

Postby Bravos of Steel » Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:50 pm

well, not sure if anyone's seen it yet, but Saddam's death IS on Google Video.

*Disclaimer* Shows pretty much everything, Graphic

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9766935521
Image
Bravos of Steel
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
Eagle EyeCafe MusketeerCafe Blackjack Weekly Winner
Posts: 3050
(Past Year: 1)
Joined: 20 Jun 2005
Home Cafe: Football
Location: I'm that crunch berry under the fridge

Postby boojumsnark25 » Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:17 pm

why would anyone want to watch the death of another? I though that left with the late 1800's...
Image
boojumsnark25
Head Coach
Head Coach

User avatar

Posts: 1407
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Home Cafe: Football
Location: Erie, PA

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:21 pm

boojumsnark25 wrote:why would anyone want to watch the death of another? I though that left with the late 1800's...


I agree... I am making a consious decision to not watch that.
Image

Thanks to abrunn for the awesome sig
A Fleshner Fantasy
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Cafe RankerMock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 7746
Joined: 11 May 2006
Home Cafe: Football
Location: The Big House

Postby Tiki » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:17 am

I started to watch it, but then realized the deed is done. And I don't need to see him die....
Keep it lit.
Tiki
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Graphics ExpertMock(ing) DrafterPick 3 ChampionSweet 16 SurvivorLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 7020
Joined: 25 Nov 2003
Home Cafe: Football
Location: '08 DOM-35.

Postby bobbing_headz » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:47 am

Look, I realize that the argument is he might somehow bust out but I really don't see that happening if they kept him alive. First of all, like someone mentioned, he's around 70 years old. He'd probably die soon anyways. Second, the US could easily deport him to the States or somewhere else outside Iraq and hold him. The only reason I could see why people wanted the execution was to get rid of the burden of locking up this potential threat when in fact he likely would have been harmless.
Image
Less C*** More Rock
bobbing_headz
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Cafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyeMatchup Meltdown SurvivorCafe Blackjack Weekly Winner
Posts: 5602
Joined: 22 Jul 2006
Home Cafe: Football
Location: North of the Border

Postby stomperrob » Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:17 am

boojumsnark25 wrote:
knapplc wrote:
boojumsnark25 wrote:Haha, are you serious with that?


Sure am. I'm not going to go to war over this; all I'm saying is that you're making it a little more simplistic than it really is by saying that there's no way Saddam could have come back to power in Iraq.

Let's say the US leaves Iraq and Saddam is still alive in jail. He gets busted out (which has just recently happened), his supporters (of which there are many) arm themselves (kinda like they're doing now), they fight a guerrilla battle until they gain the upper hand (kinda like they're doing now), and over the course of one, two, maybe five years they put him back in the palace.

Look at Afghanistan. It's happening there right now, or at least the Taliban are trying to make it happen. Don't disregard it simply because it seems far-fetched. It happened with Napoleon, it's possibly happening in Afghanistan and it could happen in Iraq.


OK, I guess I don't buy into that whole "history repeats itself" thing. I can think of too many differences between the Napoleonic era and the modern era.

Besides...to disprove your theory, all I have to do is provide one example of a ruler who was ousted from power, but not put to death, and who never returned to power. Mussolini, if I'm not mistaken, fits that bill. So if history repeats itself, it could repeat in either direction, right? So how can you be so sure of the fact it would repeat in the direction you say it would?


Actually Mussolini and his mistress were both executed (shot) by partisans and then hung on meat hooks in the public square to discourage any other fascists from continuing to fight.
Image
Fantasy Football: "Luck is where preparation meets opportunity"
stomperrob
Moderator
Moderator

User avatar
ModeratorCafeholicFantasy ExpertCafe WriterCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyePick 3 ChampionMatchup Meltdown SurvivorLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 13579
(Past Year: 138)
Joined: 19 Mar 2004
Home Cafe: Football
Location: Steeler Nation!!!

Postby Omaha Red Sox » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:41 am

bobbing_headz wrote:Look, I realize that the argument is he might somehow bust out but I really don't see that happening if they kept him alive. First of all, like someone mentioned, he's around 70 years old. He'd probably die soon anyways.


You've never seen The Rock have you? }:-) :-b
Omaha Red Sox
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Cafe Ranker
Posts: 12290
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
Home Cafe: Football
Location: Probably over there

PreviousNext

Return to General Talk

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests

Forums Articles & Tips Start & Sit Sleepers Rankings Leagues


Get Ready...
The 2014 NFL season kicks off in 0:51 hours
(and 35 days)
2014 NFL Schedule


  • Fantasy Football
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact