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Postby josebach » Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:07 pm

knapplc wrote:
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josebach wrote:Where I think it's morbid and I have no interest in playing, I'm certainly not going to pass moral judgement on someone that does play. (There seems to be a lot of that around here :-?) The fact of the matter is, we're all going to die... every last one of us. Where dying is just as natural as being born, it's still to most the scariest thing we'll ever have to face. People sometimes deal with this fact by making light of it. It's a coping mechanism.


Pretending you don't judge people may fool you, but it doesn't fool anyone else. Your very statement above is a judgement, based on your morals.

So yes, I would agree that there seems to be a lot of that going around these days. Pretending we're above it is a bit silly, though.


Yeah, Knapp. You're right. I'm constantly making posts implying moral superiority. Seems to me I've been pretty adamant about suggesting that a lot of "moral" issues are actually quite relative. I guess I'm remembering incorrectly. Thanks for setting me straight. ;-D ;-7


You may think you're being tongue-in-cheek, but you do this quite frequently. Apparently you do fool yourself. :-°


If calling out people for being holier than thou means I'm judging them than so be it.
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Postby The Miner Part 2 » Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:11 pm

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Postby The Miner Part 2 » Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:12 pm

oh and jared from the subway commercials.

* crosses fingers *
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Postby knapplc » Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:12 pm

josebach wrote: If calling out people for being holier than thou means I'm judging them than so be it.


It does. It is intrinsically a judgment. It is also based on your personal set of morals.

BUT, I think it’s a good thing that you do it, and I greatly appreciate you for it. Where would the Cafe be without opposing viewpoints? Let’s say everyone thought the same way I think. Wouldn’t that be pretty boring? I’d hate it, honestly.

Did you ever wonder why I never seem to have long, drawn-out conversations with Omaha or VaderFin or Madison in the forums? It’s because they seem to echo so many of my own thoughts that it’d be redundant – just a bunch of “QFT’s” over and over.

You and I have differing views on many things, just as I differ with Matthias, Art, and several others. Over the past several months I’ve conversed with you guys more than just about anyone at the Cafe precisely because your moral compasses point you in different directions than mine points me. That, in my opinion, is a very good thing.
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Postby knapplc » Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:14 pm

The Miner Part 2 wrote:oh and jared from the subway commercials.

* crosses fingers *

Those commercials have pretty much played themselves out, haven't they?

I'd be ready for the AFLAC duck and the Energizer Bunny to take a dirt nap.
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Postby Karoz » Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:11 pm

Omaha Red Sox wrote:I couldn't care less about celebrities' lives and think most of the paparrazzi (sp?) driven entertainment industry is annoying, pointless, and destructive. Having said this, I am appalled that someone would take the deaths of anyone this lightly. To actually make a game out of who is going to die first is alarming, to say the least.


I have found that the site is very useful in celebrating the life of the individuals listed, not merely their death. Each celebrity that is listed in their database has their own individual page. These pages list each accomplishment in the particular individuals life, and it also provides a short biography. So, you might not agree with the concept of the game, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it is a bad thing.

Also, I feel that it is important to point out that most people who play this game (there are millions) seem to take the game itself as a joke. Just because they take the game as a joke, doesn't mean that they take the deaths of the celebrities lightly. The site offers a way to celebrate the lives of celebrities who have passed on. For example, when Frank Stanton died on December 24th, the major media sources didn't spend much time covering his death, and they didn't offer much information about his life. Rotten, however, offered a link to a list of his life accomplishments, his biography, and information about every aspect of his life.

So, after analyzing all aspects of the game and the site, it seems to me that it isn't as bad as you make it out to be. In fact, to me, it seems like it does more good than it does bad.
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:19 pm

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Omaha Red Sox wrote:I couldn't care less about celebrities' lives and think most of the paparrazzi (sp?) driven entertainment industry is annoying, pointless, and destructive. Having said this, I am appalled that someone would take the deaths of anyone this lightly. To actually make a game out of who is going to die first is alarming, to say the least.


I have found that the site is very useful in celebrating the life of the individuals listed, not merely their death. Each celebrity that is listed in their database has their own individual page. These pages list each accomplishment in the particular individuals life, and it also provides a short biography. So, you might not agree with the concept of the game, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it is a bad thing.

Also, I feel that it is important to point out that most people who play this game (there are millions) seem to take the game itself as a joke. Just because they take the game as a joke, doesn't mean that they take the deaths of the celebrities lightly. The site offers a way to celebrate the lives of celebrities who have passed on. For example, when Frank Stanton died on December 24th, the major media sources didn't spend much time covering his death, and they didn't offer much information about his life. Rotten, however, offered a link to a list of his life accomplishments, his biography, and information about every aspect of his life.

So, after analyzing all aspects of the game and the site, it seems to me that it isn't as bad as you make it out to be. In fact, to me, it seems like it does more good than it does bad.


I will admit that I did not access the website. Nor do I plan to. The intentions may be just, but the basis of the game, that you explained, is disturbing to me. Attempting to predict when a person, anyone, will die takes the validity of their current state (living) away. If these people are so enamored by these celebrities, why attempt to predict, and win a game doing so, when they will pass away? Takes away from their current achievments and possibilities doesn't it?
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Postby Redskins Win » Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:31 pm

knapplc wrote:
josebach wrote: If calling out people for being holier than thou means I'm judging them than so be it.


It does. It is intrinsically a judgment. It is also based on your personal set of morals.

BUT, I think it’s a good thing that you do it, and I greatly appreciate you for it. Where would the Cafe be without opposing viewpoints? Let’s say everyone thought the same way I think. Wouldn’t that be pretty boring? I’d hate it, honestly.

Did you ever wonder why I never seem to have long, drawn-out conversations with Omaha or VaderFin or Madison in the forums? It’s because they seem to echo so many of my own thoughts that it’d be redundant – just a bunch of “QFT’s” over and over.

You and I have differing views on many things, just as I differ with Matthias, Art, and several others. Over the past several months I’ve conversed with you guys more than just about anyone at the Cafe precisely because your moral compasses point you in different directions than mine points me. That, in my opinion, is a very good thing.


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Postby Karoz » Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:35 pm

Omaha Red Sox wrote:
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Omaha Red Sox wrote:I couldn't care less about celebrities' lives and think most of the paparrazzi (sp?) driven entertainment industry is annoying, pointless, and destructive. Having said this, I am appalled that someone would take the deaths of anyone this lightly. To actually make a game out of who is going to die first is alarming, to say the least.


I have found that the site is very useful in celebrating the life of the individuals listed, not merely their death. Each celebrity that is listed in their database has their own individual page. These pages list each accomplishment in the particular individuals life, and it also provides a short biography. So, you might not agree with the concept of the game, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it is a bad thing.

Also, I feel that it is important to point out that most people who play this game (there are millions) seem to take the game itself as a joke. Just because they take the game as a joke, doesn't mean that they take the deaths of the celebrities lightly. The site offers a way to celebrate the lives of celebrities who have passed on. For example, when Frank Stanton died on December 24th, the major media sources didn't spend much time covering his death, and they didn't offer much information about his life. Rotten, however, offered a link to a list of his life accomplishments, his biography, and information about every aspect of his life.

So, after analyzing all aspects of the game and the site, it seems to me that it isn't as bad as you make it out to be. In fact, to me, it seems like it does more good than it does bad.


I will admit that I did not access the website. Nor do I plan to. The intentions may be just, but the basis of the game, that you explained, is disturbing to me. Attempting to predict when a person, anyone, will die takes the validity of their current state (living) away. If these people are so enamored by these celebrities, why attempt to predict, and win a game doing so, when they will pass away? Takes away from their current achievments and possibilities doesn't it?


The fact that it is disturbing to you is perfectly reasonable. I think that the majority of the people that play the game do so out of curiosity about death, which is what the site itself thrives off of.

In my opinion, someones life accomplishments aren't diminished just because they are chosen in a game such as this. If anything, it brings their current achievements to light to millions of individuals who might have otherwise never known about them. When selecting your list, you review their profile, which as I mentioned before, contains information about their accomplishments, their life, and their family. Also, if you have a certain celebrity on your list, then you will follow their life much more closely for any updates, which would give you a higher awareness about any accomplishments that they might achieve in the future.
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Postby knapplc » Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:37 pm

Karoz wrote: The fact that it is disturbing to you is perfectly reasonable. I think that the majority of the people that play the game do so out of curiosity about death, which is what the site itself thrives off of.

In my opinion, someones life accomplishments aren't diminished just because they are chosen in a game such as this. If anything, it brings their current achievements to light to millions of individuals who might have otherwise never known about them. When selecting your list, you review their profile, which as I mentioned before, contains information about their accomplishments, their life, and their family. Also, if you have a certain celebrity on your list, then you will follow their life much more closely for any updates, which would give you a higher awareness about any accomplishments that they might achieve in the future.


Just as long as those of you playing aren't stalking celebrities with tire irons.

NO CHEATING!!!!! }:-) :-b
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