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Postby FantasyMan13 » Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:36 pm

The official Bengals offseason thread. Post any rumors, news, insight, reaction. or anything else that you see/think of here ;-D

Free Agent Signings
Bobby Blizzard
Alex Stepanovich
Michael Myers
Ed Hartwell

PlayersReleased
Ben Wilkerson
A.J. Nicholson
Brian Simmons
Sam Adams
Gregg Guenther

Trades

[size€=134]Draft[/size]
1. Leon Hall - CB, Michigan (5'11'', 193 lbs.)
2. Kenny Irons - RB, Auburn (5'10'', 205 lbs.)
4. Marvin White - S, TCU (6'1'', 199 lbs.)
5. Jeff Rowe - QB, Nevada (6'5'', 226 lbs.)
6. Matt Toeaina - DT, Oregon (6'2'', 307 lbs.)
7. Dan Santucci - OL, Notre Dame (6'3'', 296 lbs.)
7. Chinedum Ndukwe - S, Notre Dame (6'1'', 206 lbs.)

Rumors

Money Remaining: $5,514,546

Unrestricted Free Agents
Justin Smith* - Resigned via franchise tag thru 2007
Doug Johnson - Resigned thru 2007
Kenny Watson - Resigned thru 2009
Scott Kooistra - Resigned thru 2009
Reggie Kelly* - Resigned thru 2009
Kelly Washington - Signed with New England
Anthony Wright - Signed with New York Giants
Eric Steinbach* - Signed with Cleveland
Tony Stewart - Signed with Oakland
Tory James* - Signed with New England
Kevin Kaesviharn - Signed with New Orleans
Marcus Wilkins- Signed with Atlanta
Rich Braham - Retired
Anthony Mitchell - Unsigned
Rashad Bauman - Unsigned

Restricted Free Agents
Stacy Andrews - Resigned thru 2007 via tender
Greg Brooks - Resigned thru 2007 via tender
Landon Johnson* - Resigned thru 2007 via tender
Caleb Miller - Resigned thru 2007 via tender
Kyle Larson* - Resigned thru 2007 via tender

Shaun Smith - Signed with Cleveland
Terrence Whitehead - Unsigned

*- Denotes starter in 2006

Poll Questions

Should we re-sign Justin Smith?
Yes- 1
No- 1
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Postby FantasyMan13 » Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:42 pm

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Postby FantasyMan13 » Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:54 pm

Should we re-sign Justin Smith?

I say no. I believe it was either him or Geathers, and while I would have much prefered Smith, our defense has too many holes to use most of our money on 2 DE's.
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Postby whodey#9 » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:12 pm

Should we re-sign Justin Smith?

I think we should resign him, nothing wrong with spending big money on 2 DEs. Not many teams are lucky enough to have 2 top DEs and I would hate to see us lose one. (Unless maybe Pollack is coming back and will play more DE) ;-D


Please Dont resign Tory James seemed to me he got beat alot this season. Was it just me thinking that or did anyone else notice it too?
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Postby whodey#9 » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:26 pm

Bengal Draft Needs by The Duke at FootballsFuture.com

1. Cornerback - Tory "1st and 10" James is done as an NFL player unless he takes the veteran minimum, which I doubt, and Deltha Oneal will be 30 and fresh off a DUI. Keiwan Ratliff has no business starting an NFL game and frankly i'm not to comfortable with him being the nickle CB. So even though Joseph was a great 1st rd pick in '06, he needs a running mate who can take over by midseason next year and relegate Oneal to the nickle spot. This would also give the Bengals a pair of bookend corners for years to come.

2. Linebacker - David Pollack may never play again, and Odell Thurman is fresh off a suspension, overweight (reportedly around 270-275, he played last year at 235), out of shape, substance addicted, and lazy so you do the math. Brian Simmons lost a step and may not be back, but even if he is, he is not the player he was even in '05 and age is catching him. AJ Nicholson isn't panning out too well, and Caleb Miller and Landon Johnson are both undersized soon to be free agents. So basically the Bengals have some decent raw young talent in Ahmad Brooks and Rashad Jeanty, but a WLB who could make an immediate impact like Rufus Alexander, Brandon Silar, or Patrick Willis is jsut what the doctor ordered. Look for the Bengals to take a raw specimen on day two to take over as a special teams maven for the aging Marcus Wilkens as well.

3. Defensive Tackle - Sam Adams can be a spot player for at least one more year and the Bengals have a couple of decent young DT's in Domata Peko (who is getting better very fast) and a solid rotational guy in Shuan Smith. Jon Fanene can be a spot penetrating UT to fill out a rotation, but a playmaker inside would do wonders for this defense. Should Branch fall, Okam declare, or Okoye continue to impress, they could all be round one options.

4. Strong Safety - Dexter Jackson is solid, but injury prone. Kevin Kaesvaharn can make some plays, but is much better playing 25-30 snaps a game and some special teams backing up at FS. Madeiu Williams is a solid starting FS, but talent is needed behind Jackson who can be a more physical threat at SS. The Bengals have a 5th safety in Ethan Kilmer, but he is around for special teams and barring tremendous improvement he shouldn't be too much of a defensive factor. It's Jacksons age and injury history that pushes this need up the list.

5. Tight End - Reggie Kelly should be resigned, but he is starting to get older and Tony Stewart while solid as a backup is not a starting NFL tight end. The only way this happens in round two is if the Bengals top TE is still on the board and players at the positions listed above are not worth a 2nd rd value. The Bengals have Tim Day on the practice squadd but if value is there in rounds 4 or 5, it is a possibility.

6. 3rd Down Runningback - This would be taken care of if Chris Perry could actualy make it through a season, but with 3 injuries in 3 years, his odds at staying healthy next year are not looking good. A change of pace from Rudi's bruising style and more explosive than Kenny Watson who can catch passes would really open up the no huddle much the way Perry did when he was healthy in '05. It would be nice to get someone who could double as a punt returner as well.

7. Long-term Backup QB - Anthony Wright is a decent backup, but no more than for a year or two. Doug Johnson was just filling a jersey and not likely to be back. If there is a strong armed but raw QB who has potenial in rounds 5-7 then the Bengals may get someone to groom as a long term #2 who can learn the offense. The Bengals may only carry 2 QB's next year if they don't draft one, but that plan may be scraped if the waive Reggie McNeal.

8. Defensive End - This will be a bigger need if the Bengals can't resign Justin Smith. If Smith is retained they will have Smith, Robinson, Frostee Rucker from last year coming back from the IR, Jon Fanene who will play both LE and DT, Eric Henderson from the practice squad, and RObert Geathers all back. If someone like Adam Carriker falls to round two the Bengals may take him to be the LE of the future or even the present if he can outplay Robinson in camp.

The needs are obviously mostly on defense. The Bengals may also take an OL on day two because of their excellent line coach in Paul Alexander and the fact that they will lose some depth if Steinbach leaves via free agency (Whitworth is ready to take over). Marvin Lewis is very much Best Player Available, but it remains to be seen if he will continue to gamble on character risks after being bitten by both Henry and Thurman this year with suspensions, and in the press by incidents with McNeal and Nicholson.
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Postby FantasyMan13 » Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:56 pm

whodey#9 wrote:Bengal Draft Needs by The Duke at FootballsFuture.com

1. Cornerback - Tory "1st and 10" James is done as an NFL player unless he takes the veteran minimum, which I doubt, and Deltha Oneal will be 30 and fresh off a DUI. Keiwan Ratliff has no business starting an NFL game and frankly i'm not to comfortable with him being the nickle CB. So even though Joseph was a great 1st rd pick in '06, he needs a running mate who can take over by midseason next year and relegate Oneal to the nickle spot. This would also give the Bengals a pair of bookend corners for years to come.

2. Linebacker - David Pollack may never play again, and Odell Thurman is fresh off a suspension, overweight (reportedly around 270-275, he played last year at 235), out of shape, substance addicted, and lazy so you do the math. Brian Simmons lost a step and may not be back, but even if he is, he is not the player he was even in '05 and age is catching him. AJ Nicholson isn't panning out too well, and Caleb Miller and Landon Johnson are both undersized soon to be free agents. So basically the Bengals have some decent raw young talent in Ahmad Brooks and Rashad Jeanty, but a WLB who could make an immediate impact like Rufus Alexander, Brandon Silar, or Patrick Willis is jsut what the doctor ordered. Look for the Bengals to take a raw specimen on day two to take over as a special teams maven for the aging Marcus Wilkens as well.

3. Defensive Tackle - Sam Adams can be a spot player for at least one more year and the Bengals have a couple of decent young DT's in Domata Peko (who is getting better very fast) and a solid rotational guy in Shuan Smith. Jon Fanene can be a spot penetrating UT to fill out a rotation, but a playmaker inside would do wonders for this defense. Should Branch fall, Okam declare, or Okoye continue to impress, they could all be round one options.

4. Strong Safety - Dexter Jackson is solid, but injury prone. Kevin Kaesvaharn can make some plays, but is much better playing 25-30 snaps a game and some special teams backing up at FS. Madeiu Williams is a solid starting FS, but talent is needed behind Jackson who can be a more physical threat at SS. The Bengals have a 5th safety in Ethan Kilmer, but he is around for special teams and barring tremendous improvement he shouldn't be too much of a defensive factor. It's Jacksons age and injury history that pushes this need up the list.

5. Tight End - Reggie Kelly should be resigned, but he is starting to get older and Tony Stewart while solid as a backup is not a starting NFL tight end. The only way this happens in round two is if the Bengals top TE is still on the board and players at the positions listed above are not worth a 2nd rd value. The Bengals have Tim Day on the practice squadd but if value is there in rounds 4 or 5, it is a possibility.

6. 3rd Down Runningback - This would be taken care of if Chris Perry could actualy make it through a season, but with 3 injuries in 3 years, his odds at staying healthy next year are not looking good. A change of pace from Rudi's bruising style and more explosive than Kenny Watson who can catch passes would really open up the no huddle much the way Perry did when he was healthy in '05. It would be nice to get someone who could double as a punt returner as well.

7. Long-term Backup QB - Anthony Wright is a decent backup, but no more than for a year or two. Doug Johnson was just filling a jersey and not likely to be back. If there is a strong armed but raw QB who has potenial in rounds 5-7 then the Bengals may get someone to groom as a long term #2 who can learn the offense. The Bengals may only carry 2 QB's next year if they don't draft one, but that plan may be scraped if the waive Reggie McNeal.

8. Defensive End - This will be a bigger need if the Bengals can't resign Justin Smith. If Smith is retained they will have Smith, Robinson, Frostee Rucker from last year coming back from the IR, Jon Fanene who will play both LE and DT, Eric Henderson from the practice squad, and RObert Geathers all back. If someone like Adam Carriker falls to round two the Bengals may take him to be the LE of the future or even the present if he can outplay Robinson in camp.

The needs are obviously mostly on defense. The Bengals may also take an OL on day two because of their excellent line coach in Paul Alexander and the fact that they will lose some depth if Steinbach leaves via free agency (Whitworth is ready to take over). Marvin Lewis is very much Best Player Available, but it remains to be seen if he will continue to gamble on character risks after being bitten by both Henry and Thurman this year with suspensions, and in the press by incidents with McNeal and Nicholson.


I don't think LB is a bigger need than DT. What do you guys think?

Please Dont resign Tory James seemed to me he got beat alot this season. Was it just me thinking that or did anyone else notice it too?


Yes, he got beat a TON. He is WAY past his prime. There is almost no way that we re-sign him.
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Postby sammyj1404 » Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:42 pm

so another arrest in bengaldom...what do u guys think?

according to league rules, joseph only faces maybe a game's fine but no suspension. but with marvins new "attitude" towards players doing stupid shit, will he suspend him for a few games next season??
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Postby aaawall91 » Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:50 am

I doubt it, theres so many things he could do to Joesph between now and the start of the season to punish him, I'm thinking Marvin will most likely want to start next year fresh, with all this behind them.

Yes, I think we should re-sign Justin Smith.
And I would defiantly like to see us make some good free-agent moves more this year than years past (exception maybe last year), I understand us picking up Benjamin Watson is a possibility, not sure of his contract situation though. Lets hope this year we do a little less dice rolling when it comes to character in the draft though.
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