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Postby jayday » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:56 pm

eagles21 wrote:Great man. Risked his life to peacefully fight for equal rights for African-Americans.

Correction: He gave.
danleroi22 wrote:It is so... so... sad that only about 40 years ago our nation had people who would shoot others simply because of the color of their skin, or those who supported people with a different skin color.

That makes me both sad and mad.

:-? Dude, that s--- is still happening...Sure, it's a lot better than it was but we've got a long ways to go (from all sides) before all the mindless violence ever ceases to exist....


Can't help but shake my head that the Armed & Famous thread gets more views and replies than the MLK thread....
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Postby dream_017 » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:59 pm

jayday wrote:
eagles21 wrote:Great man. Risked his life to peacefully fight for equal rights for African-Americans.

Correction: He gave.
danleroi22 wrote:It is so... so... sad that only about 40 years ago our nation had people who would shoot others simply because of the color of their skin, or those who supported people with a different skin color.

That makes me both sad and mad.

:-? Dude, that s--- is still happening...Sure, it's a lot better than it was but we've got a long ways to go (from all sides) before all the mindless violence ever ceases to exist....


Can't help but shake my head that the Armed & Famous thread gets more views and replies than the MLK thread....


True....I was off yesterday and didn't get a chance to post here....so happy belated MLK day ;-D
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Postby Nfl Fan » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:07 pm

MLK... A Great American.

I've read several of his speeches and all I can say is, "WOW!" The guy was amazing. Truly a brave and Godly man.
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Postby josebach » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:21 pm

He was a very brave man who was extremely important in the civil rights movement, but he was also extremely unpopular and even hated among the religious right. He was an admitted socialist and a lot of people even thought he was a communist. I'd be very curious to see how he would be viewed today if he wasn't assassinated. :-?
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Postby jayday » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:50 pm

josebach wrote:He was a very brave man who was extremely important in the civil rights movement, but he was also extremely unpopular and even hated among the religious right. He was an admitted socialist and a lot of people even thought he was a communist. I'd be very curious to see how he would be viewed today if he wasn't assassinated. :-?

That's a great point on all of that....And I don't think he would have near the legacy....I think his death may have actually done as much for the civil rights movement as he did himself....

Anyone up for conspiracy theories on who committed the assassination? ;-7


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Postby Metroid » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:52 pm

jayday wrote:
josebach wrote:He was a very brave man who was extremely important in the civil rights movement, but he was also extremely unpopular and even hated among the religious right. He was an admitted socialist and a lot of people even thought he was a communist. I'd be very curious to see how he would be viewed today if he wasn't assassinated. :-?

That's a great point on all of that....And I don't think he would have near the legacy....I think his death may have actually done as much for the civil rights movement as he did himself....

Anyone up for conspiracy theories on who committed the assassination? ;-7 ;-)
Why are you writing so big? :-b

Whoa thats weird! The text in your post was huge when I quoted you and now its normal.

Or maybe I need to lay of the crack pipe. :-b
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Postby jayday » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:56 pm

Metroid wrote:
jayday wrote:
josebach wrote:He was a very brave man who was extremely important in the civil rights movement, but he was also extremely unpopular and even hated among the religious right. He was an admitted socialist and a lot of people even thought he was a communist. I'd be very curious to see how he would be viewed today if he wasn't assassinated. :-?

That's a great point on all of that....And I don't think he would have near the legacy....I think his death may have actually done as much for the civil rights movement as he did himself....

Anyone up for conspiracy theories on who committed the assassination? ;-7 ;-)
Why are you writing so big? :-b

Whoa thats weird! The text in your post was huge when I quoted you and now its normal.

Or maybe I need to lay of the crack pipe. :-b

I know man, it happens like once a week for no reason at all....I wasn't trying to shout! :-b
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Postby knapplc » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:59 pm

jayday wrote:Can't help but shake my head that the Armed & Famous thread gets more views and replies than the MLK thread....


I deal with this every day at my job, so I didn’t exactly want to talk about it here on my day off. I had my little girl at home yesterday, and when she asked why there was no school and I didn’t go to work I told her, “There was a man named Martin Luther King. He taught us that it doesn’t matter who we are, where we come from or what we look like. We can all still be friends no matter what.” She got it.

That’s my first step with her about MLK. We’ve already had some talks about people who look different, but I’ve never brought race up to her per se. I don’t want to have to, either. I have a theory that if we ignore race, it’s not an issue. Racism is taught, not instinctual. I’m afraid that if I make a big deal about it she’ll focus on race more. If we leave it alone, she’ll never even know it’s an issue. That’s my hope. Plans will change if that’s not right, but I’m pretty sure it is.

Something that I’ve always thought was funny in an odd way – I grew up with a lot of casual racism, mostly directed towards Blacks. We had a black car when I was a kid, and the name we gave it is pretty insensitively racist. We called Brazil Nuts by a racist slur, too. It was just how I grew up and I didn’t know any better. I’m sure my mom knew what those names really meant, but knowing her as I know her now (as an adult) I know she’s not racist. The times were different, and she probably felt it was more of a joke than anything. She never taught me to think of myself different because of race.

But here’s the funny thing – even though I grew up in an environment of very casual racism, there were NO other races in my town, just a bunch of White people. Because of that I never learned to attach any of that crap to any “kind” of person. It was just there. As I grew up the world changed and so did my parents’ attitude towards that stuff. My mom got a job in Omaha and actually started working with people of other races so that kind of talk stopped. It wasn’t until I got older that I realized how racist some of that stuff was, and I was kind of embarrassed for my parents for that.

It was a different time, so while that doesn’t make it right it makes it more understandable. We’ve all come a long way since then, and I think that if I were ever to talk to my mom about those names she’d be pretty embarrassed today.

And how ironic is it that I’m an EEO Investigator today and I vigorously go out and stamp this kind of crap out when we find it? We’ve come a long way as a country, and I can definitely see that in my life. I’m proud of my job and the work we do. I’m also proud of my state that true racial discrimination is far in the minority of things we investigate at my office. It still exists and it still happens, and maybe it will never truly go away, but it’s better. And we have Martin Luther King, Jr. to thank for that.
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Postby dream_017 » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:12 pm

knapplc wrote:
Something that I’ve always thought was funny in an odd way – I grew up with a lot of casual racism, mostly directed towards Blacks. We had a black car when I was a kid, and the name we gave it is pretty insensitively racist. We called Brazil Nuts by a racist slur, too. It was just how I grew up and I didn’t know any better. I’m sure my mom knew what those names really meant, but knowing her as I know her now (as an adult) I know she’s not racist. The times were different, and she probably felt it was more of a joke than anything. She never taught me to think of myself different because of race.

But here’s the funny thing – even though I grew up in an environment of very casual racism, there were NO other races in my town, just a bunch of White people. Because of that I never learned to attach any of that crap to any “kind” of person. It was just there. As I grew up the world changed and so did my parents’ attitude towards that stuff. My mom got a job in Omaha and actually started working with people of other races so that kind of talk stopped. It wasn’t until I got older that I realized how racist some of that stuff was, and I was kind of embarrassed for my parents for that.

It was a different time, so while that doesn’t make it right it makes it more understandable. We’ve all come a long way since then, and I think that if I were ever to talk to my mom about those names she’d be pretty embarrassed today.


I could have written pretty much the same story about me. We are about the same age and I think, like you said, it has a lot to do with the times.
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Postby Art Vandelay » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:30 pm

knapplc wrote:I have a theory that if we ignore race, it’s not an issue. Racism is taught, not instinctual.


In a perfect world, this would be great, but the problem is that if we ("we" being the conscientious, non-racist segment of the population) ignore it, it won't go away. The people who would actually ignore it are the ones who don't need to because it already isn't an issue for them, so if they start to ignore it, then the racists are able to have a much larger influence.
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