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Postby knapplc » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:54 pm

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knapplc wrote:Anyone who bashes Prince doesn't know music. I don't like Elvis' music but I would never disrespect him for what he did for music. In much the same way Prince has been a pioneer of many of the sounds you hear today in hip-hop, blues, jazz and rock and roll.

The man is a supremely talented musician. Bashing him because of how he looks is juvenile. Gay? Hardly - the man has gotten more tail, and better quality tail, than the entire Cafe put together. That's just an ignorant comment.

Sorry, but you deserved that, NFL. :-t


What? I just got insulted on the internet? Big whoop, Knapp. Trust me, being called 'ignorant' by some guy I've never met on an internet website is the very last thing that will wind me up.

So I don't like Prince. It's my opinion and I'm fully entitled to it. I've seen the guy dressed in woman's lingerie. So if I want to think it's pretty faggy for a guy who looks like a chick to dress up in a teddy, then I get to think that. He might be the most talented musician in the whole wide world, but I don't have to like him. Isn't it great to be an American?

So there! :-b


So you think it's OK to use the word "fag" to describe someone, even though it's pretty much the same as calling a Mexican "spic" or a Black "nigger?" That's what I object to. There's dislike and there's bigotry. America has plenty of room for the former, none for the latter.

If you want to be a homophobe that's your choice. Just don't post that crap here. :-t
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Postby Nfl Fan » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:23 pm

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knapplc wrote:Anyone who bashes Prince doesn't know music. I don't like Elvis' music but I would never disrespect him for what he did for music. In much the same way Prince has been a pioneer of many of the sounds you hear today in hip-hop, blues, jazz and rock and roll.

The man is a supremely talented musician. Bashing him because of how he looks is juvenile. Gay? Hardly - the man has gotten more tail, and better quality tail, than the entire Cafe put together. That's just an ignorant comment.

Sorry, but you deserved that, NFL. :-t


What? I just got insulted on the internet? Big whoop, Knapp. Trust me, being called 'ignorant' by some guy I've never met on an internet website is the very last thing that will wind me up.

So I don't like Prince. It's my opinion and I'm fully entitled to it. I've seen the guy dressed in woman's lingerie. So if I want to think it's pretty faggy for a guy who looks like a chick to dress up in a teddy, then I get to think that. He might be the most talented musician in the whole wide world, but I don't have to like him. Isn't it great to be an American?

So there! :-b


So you think it's OK to use the word "fag" to describe someone, even though it's pretty much the same as calling a Mexican "spic" or a Black "nigger?" That's what I object to. There's dislike and there's bigotry. America has plenty of room for the former, none for the latter.

If you want to be a homophobe that's your choice. Just don't post that crap here. :-t


Friggin lighten up, Knapp. Geez. I personally find the gay lifestyle to be revolting. Can't think about it without wanting to vomit. So if I make an off-hand comment about Prince being 'faggy'... who cares?

But for you to compare it to 'nigger' or 'spic' is pathetic. Don't even go there. It's absolute crap. I should think you of all people would know the difference between a person's lifestyle and the color of skin a man is born with. Judge a man by the content of their charactor, not the color of their skin, right?

Know what? I don't like doctors who perform partial birth abortions either. Call me an 'abortophobe' if you want... I call it murder.
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Postby biju » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:55 pm

Nfl Fan wrote:I should think you of all people would know the difference between a person's lifestyle and the color of skin a man is born with. Judge a man by the content of their charactor, not the color of their skin, right?


I shouldn't be getting into this, but I believe what some people would be offended by is the assertion that this is a lifestyle choice and you're bashing it. From what I understand (and no, I'm not gay) being gay is just as much a choice as the color of your skin. In other word, it isn't a choice.

I, myself, am heterosexual and it would feel painfully awkward to be in some parallel universe where the "norm" is to be homosexual. Just because that society says one way is "correct" wouldn't change my love of the ladies. :-D
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Postby FatFoot » Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:03 pm

This could be a first, folks. Someone (mis)quoting Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to defend his own bigotry. The internet is amazing. At least the individual in question has no means of recanting his demonstrable ignorance.

There are lots of things that make me sick. There are plenty of lifestyle choices that I disagree with. I don't see how that justifies that kind of language and attitude. And that's because it doesn't. Grow up.
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Postby knapplc » Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:30 pm

FatFoot wrote:This could be a first, folks. Someone (mis)quoting Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to defend his own bigotry. The internet is amazing. At least the individual in question has no means of recanting his demonstrable ignorance.

There are lots of things that make me sick. There are plenty of lifestyle choices that I disagree with. I don't see how that justifies that kind of language and attitude. And that's because it doesn't. Grow up.


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If someone thinks their faith gives them the right to refer to people in derogatory terms that's their problem. I support people’s rights to think what they want to think. I do NOT support the use of openly insulting names to describe a slice of life a person disagrees with. I have that on very good authority:
God wrote:The Eighth Commandment:
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Martin Luther wrote:What does this mean? We should fear and love God so that we do not lie about, betray or slander our neighbor, but excuse him, speak well of him, and put the best construction on everything."
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Postby Nfl Fan » Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:53 pm

FatFoot wrote:Someone (mis)quoting Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to defend his own bigotry.


I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check — a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quick sands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.

But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.

As we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied, as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.

Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.

I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.

This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring."

And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania!

Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado!

Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California!

But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia!

Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee!

Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

And when this happens, When we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"


Good grief. I have read many speeches by the great Martin Luther King. I absolutely love his work, so for the notion that I have to defend not being a 'bigot' is absurd. First of all, I did not quote MLK (as shown by the lack of quotation marks) but the paraphrase is still accurate. Secondly, I'd like to see where in his speech (or any speech) he refers to bigotry as anything other than race and skin color. I find it absurd that people link lifestyle and skin color when labeling others a bigot.

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Postby Nfl Fan » Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:03 pm

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God wrote:The Eighth Commandment:
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.


Wow Knapp. You quote the Lord and are guilty of the same.

I got an idea....

Take the log out of your own eye, then you
can see clearly to take the speck out of mine.

I got a better idea. PM me instead of taking this out here.
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Postby knapplc » Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:21 pm

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knapplc wrote:
God wrote:The Eighth Commandment:
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.


Wow Knapp. You quote the Lord and are guilty of the same.

I got an idea....

Take the log out of your own eye, then you
can see clearly to take the speck out of mine.

I got a better idea. PM me instead of taking this out here.

Had you not started spouting off this stuff out here it never would have been discussed out here. If you want to talk privately about this I'm available any time.

But you can see by the responses that I'm not alone in my opinion of the use of that epithet. It's just not cool. That's all I have to say.
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Postby petedog9 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:16 pm

I like cake.... :-B
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Postby mrblitz » Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:16 pm

I'm not a big fan of Prince. But I do appreciate his gifted guitar work. :-D
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