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Postby The Lung » Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:36 pm

What ridiculous QB settings. :-t
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Postby flotsamnjetsam » Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:47 pm

The Lung wrote:What ridiculous QB settings. :-t



I second that. I might take Peyton #1 with those crazy settings. :-?
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Postby onnestabe » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:16 am

flotsamnjetsam wrote:
The Lung wrote:What ridiculous QB settings. :-t



I second that. I might take Peyton #1 with those crazy settings. :-?


I might do it as well. I would expect that with those settings Palmer may be gone before 1.07, and I would have no problem jumping on Palmer, Brady, McNabb, or Brees at 1.07.

I think it is OK to take a top QB in a dynasty because you know you have years to build up a stable of RBs. A top QB will take care of that roster spot for years to come, allowing you to focus on other areas. Add that to this QB-friendly scoring system, and I think you have to take a QB at 1.07 if there isn't a top 4 RB available.
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Postby dream_017 » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:19 am

This is one league where I would take a QB early. You actually get 32 points for a 300 yd game...and that is without any TDs. People should jump at QBs, so you should still have a decent set of RBs with picks 2-3
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Postby Dawinner127 » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:28 am

QB scoring :-t
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Postby Kellys Heroes » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:19 pm

Complaining about the system isn't helping me; LOL

Heres the list of his top performancers...
QBs

Manning, Peyton QB IND 6 658.3
Brees, Drew QB NOR 7 609.3
Bulger, Marc QB STL 7 586.7
Palmer, Carson QB CIN 5 560
Kitna, Jon QB DET 8 551.4
Brady, Tom QB NWE 6 502
Favre, Brett QB GNB 6 490.2
Vick, Michael QB ATL 5 479.4
Rivers, Philip QB SDG 3 471.7
Roethlisberger, Ben QB PIT 4 462
Manning, Eli QB NYG 4 453.3
Grossman, Rex QB CHI 7 438.2
Pennington, Chad QB NYJ 9 434.4
Losman, J.P. QB BUF 8 422.1
McNabb, Donovan QB PHI 9 411.9
Romo, Tony QB DAL 3 409
McNair, Steve QB BAL 7 408.3
Smith, Alex QB SFO 7 394.3
Young, Vince QB TEN 7 375.2
Delhomme, Jake QB CAR 9 371.9
Carr, David QB HOU 5 360.4
Hasselbeck, Matt QB SEA 5 348.5
Leinart, Matt QB ARI 9 325.6
Johnson, Brad QB MIN 6 324.4
Frye, Charlie QB CLE 6 320.6

RBs
Tomlinson, LaDainian RB SDG 3 536.3
Jackson, Steven RB STL 7 459.4
Johnson, Larry RB KAN 3 405.9
Westbrook, Brian RB PHI 9 371.6
Gore, Frank RB SFO 7 361
Barber, Tiki RB NYG 4 337.7
Parker, Willie RB PIT 4 328.7
Jones-Drew, Maurice RB JAC 6 304
Bush, Reggie RB NOR 7 300.6
Betts, Ladell RB WAS 8 261.1
Johnson, Rudi RB CIN 5 251.2
Green, Ahman RB GNB 6 246.2
Taylor, Chester RB MIN 6 242.2
Addai, Joseph RB IND 6 237.6
Jones, Kevin RB DET 8 234.2
McAllister, Deuce RB NOR 7 232.9
James, Edgerrin RB ARI 9 220.6
Jones, Thomas RB CHI 7 219.4
Henry, Travis RB TEN 7 209.9
Taylor, Fred RB JAC 6 207.9
Barber III, Marion RB DAL 3 204.1
Brown, Ronnie RB MIA 8 203.7
Lewis, Jamal RB BAL 7 200.7
Dunn, Warrick RB ATL 5 194
Dillon, Corey RB NWE 6 186.9
McGahee, Willis RB BUF 8 174.6
Jones, Julius RB DAL 3 168.6
Foster, DeShaun RB CAR 9 162.6
Maroney, Laurence RB NWE 6 160.4
Bell, Tatum RB DEN 4 160.2
Alexander, Shaun RB SEA 5 156.4

WRs
Harrison, Marvin WR IND 6 346.6
Owens, Terrell WR DAL 3 310
Driver, Donald WR GNB 6 306.4
Holt, Torry WR STL 7 305.8
Wayne, Reggie WR IND 6 305
Johnson, Chad WR CIN 5 297.4
Evans, Lee WR BUF 8 295.1
Smith, Steve WR CAR 9 294.7
Houshmandzadeh, T.J. WR CIN 5 285.7
Johnson, Andre WR HOU 5 285.5
Williams, Roy WR DET 8 282.2
Furrey, Mike WR DET 8 274.6
Coles, Laveranues WR NYJ 9 270.3
Walker, Javon WR DEN 4 261.9
Boldin, Anquan WR ARI 9 251.1
Colston, Marques WR NOR 7 247.8
Cotchery, Jerricho WR NYJ 9 236.9
Burress, Plaxico WR NYG 4 236.8
Galloway, Joey WR TAM 4 233.6
Jackson, Darrell WR SEA 5 232.6
Ward, Hines WR PIT 4 232.5
Glenn, Terry WR DAL 3 221.9
Bruce, Isaac WR STL 7 221.8
Clayton, Mark WR BAL 7 220.9
Fitzgerald, Larry WR ARI 9 213.6
Edwards, Braylon WR CLE 6 199.9
Moss, Santana WR WAS 8 196.2
Brown, Reggie WR PHI 9 192
Muhammad, Muhsin WR CHI 7 190.3
Booker, Marty WR MIA 8 189.7
Johnson, Keyshawn WR CAR 9 185.9
Kennison, Eddie WR KAN 3 182.6
Caldwell, Reche WR NWE 6 180.5
Berrian, Bernard WR CHI 7 170
Mason, Derrick WR BAL 7 167
Chambers, Chris WR MIA 8 166.2
Henry, Chris WR CIN 5 161
Branch, Deion WR SEA 5 160.5
Holmes, Santonio WR PIT 4 160.2
Henderson, Devery WR NOR 7 159.9
Curry, Ronald WR OAK 3 152.1
Stallworth, Donte' WR PHI 9 151.5
Bennett, Drew WR TEN 7 150.7

TE
Gates, Antonio TE SDG 3 265.4
Gonzalez, Tony TE KAN 3 240
Winslow, Kellen TE CLE 6 239.5
Heap, Todd TE BAL 7 225.5
Crumpler, Alge TE ATL 5 209
Shockey, Jeremy TE NYG 4 208.6
Cooley, Chris TE WAS 8 191.7
Witten, Jason TE DAL 3 178.4
McMichael, Randy TE MIA 8 169
Clark, Desmond TE CHI 7 165.6
Smith, L.J. TE PHI 9 164.1
Watson, Benjamin TE NWE 6 159.5
Miller, Heath TE PIT 4 110.3
Daniels, Owen TE HOU 5 109
Wiggins, Jermaine TE MIN 6 108.6
Wrighster, George TE JAC 6 102.3
Clark, Dallas TE IND 6 97.7
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Postby onnestabe » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:22 pm

Yeah, looking at those scoring totals, I think I would plan on going with a solid QB (youth and consistency) at 1.07, and then loading up on RBs for awhile (try to take 4 RBs over the next 5 rounds).

It seems that in a lot of dynasty and keeper leagues, the guy who wins is the guy who is able to assemble 3-4 guys that are at or near the top in their position. QBs have the longest shelf life, so once you find a top QB, chances are pretty good that he will be 1 of your 3-4 studs for a long time. RB turnover is so high that even if you get a top 5 RB, how long until his production falls off due to age, injury (SA), or relocation (Edge)?
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Postby Kilroy » Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:28 pm

Jon Kitna outscored Tomlinson. 8-o

From the looks of that list you'll be lucky if 5 of the first six picks aren't QBs. Regardless, I think you almost have to go QB at 1.7 unless Tomlinson is still on the board due to the fact that the top QBs aren't.

That scoring is just :-P .
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Postby mattb47 » Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:46 pm

The scoring system is skewed to QBs....this is true, but it is skewed for ALL QBs. So the scarcity involved with QBs is the same as any other league and although the gap might be big between the top QBs and the bottom QBs, the gap is still just as big or bigger between the other positions. And considering you start 2-3 RBs and 3-4 WRs, I say you go that direction first personally.

Obviously if QBs are flying off the board you will be able to grab better players than they will at the other positions and have a huge advantage there. There are always 32 full time starting QBs in the NFL, that guarantee does not come with RBs at all. This scoring system will likely cause QBs to go very early allowing you to grab some top RBs and WRs while they will be stuck using backup RBs and #3 WRs to fill their 3rd WR spots and flex spots.

Look at this:

#1 QB - 658.3 FPs
#14 QB - 422.1 FPs

Difference = 236.2 (14.77 FPs per week)

#1 RB - 536.3 FPs
#14 RB - 237.6 FPs

Difference = 298.7 (18.67 FPs per week)

Just imagine getting 2 of those top 10 RBs while only landing the 15th or 16th QB who is still going to get you over 400 pts for the season. Just a small example but I think I made the point I wanted to. I would still personally go for the RBs and WRs in the first couple of rounds unless one of the top QBs falls to you in the 2nd, which they wont since the QB scoring is so odd. Keep in mind that you have to start 2-3 RBs and 3-4 WRs....so the drop in production from the top to bottom ones factor in THAT much more for those positions.
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Postby Kellys Heroes » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:35 pm

Lets examine this... LT2 and Manning are in a class of their own; so I don't want to use their #s

QBs
Palmer(usually the 2nd QB picked) earned 560
Bulger earned 586
Brees earned 600
Brady earned 502
Rivers earned 471

'note' Pennington earn 434

Compare Palmer's 560 (2nd QB taken in the up coming draft) to Alex Smith's (finished 18th in QBs in this system) 394
a difference in 166

RBs
SJax earned 459
LJ (2nd RB Taken) earned 450
Westy earned 371
Parker earned 328

'note' MOJO earned 306

Compare LJ's 450 to T Jones' 219 (finished 18th in RBs)...
a difference of 231

Even if I use Brees' 600 to A Smith's 394 (a difference of 206).. the difference from the #2 RB to the #18th is still greater from the #2 QB to the 18th taken..

I Agree w/ ya Mattb... even w/ this crazy scoring system I stepped into.. I can't see myself drafting a QB in the first 2 rds..
RBs are still the king of the 1st RD...
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