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Roto style fantasy football... why wouldn't it work?

Postby Simulacrum » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:47 am

Hey guys,

Next year I'm mulling over the idea of trying out a roto style fantasy football league. Obviously, I'd have to keep track of the scores and stats myself, and the manager with the most points at the end of the season would take the crown. I think roto style would eliminate the majority of the luck factor in FF, and I also want to experiment to see if it would be a fun way to play the game.

Do you think it would work? Have you ever heard of it before? The cats I'm thinking about would be-

Passing Yards
Touchdown Passes
QB Rating
(I'm thinking a 2 QB league)

Rush Yards
Yards per Carry
Rushing Touchdowns

Receiving Yards
Touchdown Receptions
Yards per Reception
Total Endzone Dances (kidding.. :-D )

Field Goal Points

IDP or Defense categories (haven't decided if IDP would be the way to go for something like this)-

Total Tackles
Sacks
Interceptions
Fumble Recovery
Pass Deflection?

I admit 15 categories is a lot... in baseball roto 10 or 12 categories are standard.

Thoughts? Would it work? If not, why not?
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Postby eaglesrule » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:57 am

it could work, and would take a lot of luck out of it.

On the other hand, roto doesn't really allow for a weighted system. Are field goals really as important as yards, tds, etc?
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Postby The Balanced Man » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:58 am

I've seen leagues like this. I just don't think it is as fun.

I mean, what is better than having a league for a few years and looking forward to those rivalry matchups?
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Postby Simulacrum » Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:28 pm

eaglesrule wrote:On the other hand, roto doesn't really allow for a weighted system. Are field goals really as important as yards, tds, etc?


Good point. I will eliminate one of the kicker categories, FGM/FGA%. That will make the QBs, RBs, and WRs more valuable ;-D

Any others categories you think should get the axe, that might help support a more weighted system?

I can see the point about the rivalry, match-up thing. But don't you think the people that play roto style fantasy baseball enjoy it for what it is? It's just a different kind of enjoyment than a Head to Head fantasy baseball league, sure. (H2H baseball is similar to standard fantasy football, in my opinion).
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Postby eaglesrule » Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:38 pm

well you just have to bear in mind that no matter how you tweak it, you need to have certain categories,and the whole point of the categories is that each one is equally weighted.

I mean, winning kicking counts just as much as winning td, as much as winning yards, etc.

The one way I would do it is like H2H baseball, but with the roto cats.

I think however, that baseball is best served by roto, while football is at its most fun with H2H

This just doesn't come up as much in baseball, because it breaks down nicely into commonly counted stats, and it gives you different means to win. In football, you would still need the big guns anyway. Whereas in baseball, you don't necessarily need a ton of power hitters, you can focus on doing ok in that cat, and getting a bunch of high average leadoff hitters. football doesn't have that same dichotomy.
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Postby treat24 » Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:57 pm

The Balanced Man wrote:I've seen leagues like this. I just don't think it is as fun.

I mean, what is better than having a league for a few years and looking forward to those rivalry matchups?


I was in a roto fantasy football league ONCE about 5 years ago... and The Balanced Man's thought on it is accurate... It was not fun at all and even though it was with friends... it was highly impersonal.

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Postby The Loveable Losers » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:05 pm

The problem is that I think there's less separation between the categories in football than in baseball. While you'll have your red-zone specialists in football or your possession receivers the majority of your good players will be good across the board. In fantasy baseball that's not the case so much as you don't have all that many 5-category stars.
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Postby ivesaidway2much » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:50 pm

The Loveable Losers wrote:The problem is that I think there's less separation between the categories in football than in baseball. While you'll have your red-zone specialists in football or your possession receivers the majority of your good players will be good across the board. In fantasy baseball that's not the case so much as you don't have all that many 5-category stars.
That's not necessarily true. You just have to be creative with your categories. Like say for instance if you used passing yards, rushing yards, receiving yards, net special teams yards (so you can include all kickers/punters and returners), and TD's as your offensive stats. Guys like Michael Vick or Stephen Jackson would be 3-cat players. While LdT (passing yards) and Steve Smith (return yards) would be hugely valuable as 4-cat players. And don't even get me started on Antwon Randle-El. Of course these aren't the only categories you could use, but with roto football being such an unused concept you really have to use your imagination.
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Postby The Loveable Losers » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:55 pm

ivesaidway2much wrote:
The Loveable Losers wrote:The problem is that I think there's less separation between the categories in football than in baseball. While you'll have your red-zone specialists in football or your possession receivers the majority of your good players will be good across the board. In fantasy baseball that's not the case so much as you don't have all that many 5-category stars.
That's not necessarily true. You just have to be creative with your categories. Like say for instance if you used passing yards, rushing yards, receiving yards, net special teams yards (so you can include all kickers/punters and returners), and TD's as your offensive stats. Guys like Michael Vick or Stephen Jackson would be 3-cat players. While LdT (passing yards) and Steve Smith (return yards) would be hugely valuable as 4-cat players. And don't even get me started on Antwon Randle-El. Of course these aren't the only categories you could use, you just have to use your imagination.


I like the special teams yards...that would certainly help a bit.
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Postby ivesaidway2much » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:11 pm

The Loveable Losers wrote:I like the special teams yards...that would certainly help a bit.
Thanks, I just wanted to finally make punters fantasy relevant. ;-)

Although now that I think about, I should probably change Td's to just points otherwise field goals, XP's, safeties, and 2-point conversions don't count.
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