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Postby SeaWolf » Mon May 07, 2007 11:15 pm

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SeaWolf wrote:I didn't read the entire article. He is my 2 cents.

Why would the courts give a child to a single parent in the military? As a former military member I know that you can be sent a away for a long period of time with little or no notice. Not really fair for the child.
I'm split on where the child should go now. Legaly the child belongs to the mother, but the mother kept in the service without realizing that she could spend months away from her daughter.
The military is not made for sengle parents, it isn't even made for married parents.
I see what you are saying, but it would seem that the military isn't made for most families.


The military is not made for a family. I would have never raise a family while in the service. There are many people who do, and my hats off to you. For a single parent to raise a child while "working" in the military is just not right.
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Postby maddog60 » Mon May 07, 2007 11:17 pm

Servicemen and women are the only group of individuals I hold in higher regard than doctors (tough to argue someone who saves lives for living isnt the single most important contribution one can make). This is deplorable on so many levels that anyone would exploit and/or cheat people out their families because they served there countries.

Sad that gone are the days when a soldier could return home from the war, walk into a bar, and people would be more than glad to offer to buy the returning soldier a beer. Sadly, I think we're worse than even during the Vietnam war with our mistreatment of soldiers, and that was pretty damn bad.
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Postby Karoz » Tue May 08, 2007 6:42 am

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moonhead wrote:yep. that sucks. everyone has their own opinions about this war, and this is another black eye for it. what does it say about society as well? such a litigious time we live in. it's really sad for the sake of our people.


Agreed, I don't care if you are for or against the war, but I would think you would have to be against this aspect of it.


What does this have to do with the war?

This woman joined the military with the knowledge that there was a possibility that she could be on foreign soil for an undetermined amount of time. She should have seen this coming. She left her child with its father. If the child lives and bonds with another person, then coming home and suddenly changing her home and her lifestyle would not be a good thing. The best thing for the child would be to remain in a familiar environment with a familiar guardian.

However, if you are intent on handing out blame for this incident, then blame our legal system or possibly even the mother for not analyzing the situation closely enough. Just don't use it as an excuse to criticize the war, as it is not a valid reason.
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Postby moonhead » Tue May 08, 2007 8:54 am

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BGbootha wrote:
moonhead wrote:yep. that sucks. everyone has their own opinions about this war, and this is another black eye for it. what does it say about society as well? such a litigious time we live in. it's really sad for the sake of our people.


Agreed, I don't care if you are for or against the war, but I would think you would have to be against this aspect of it.


What does this have to do with the war?

This woman joined the military with the knowledge that there was a possibility that she could be on foreign soil for an undetermined amount of time. She should have seen this coming. She left her child with its father. If the child lives and bonds with another person, then coming home and suddenly changing her home and her lifestyle would not be a good thing. The best thing for the child would be to remain in a familiar environment with a familiar guardian.

However, if you are intent on handing out blame for this incident, then blame our legal system or possibly even the mother for not analyzing the situation closely enough. Just don't use it as an excuse to criticize the war, as it is not a valid reason.


it has to do with a large contingency of america doesn't believe we should be there or ever have gone over there. but, that's not really the point.
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Tue May 08, 2007 9:22 am

Stories of this nature make me sick. I feel for the children of parents who don't choose wisely, but I also feel sad for the servicemen and women who risk there lives and have to deal with crap like this back home. The woman's ex-husband should be kicked in the face.

I have equal respect for a spouse of a soldier and that soldier. It takes a lot to be married and devoted to someone deployed overseas and in constant danger. Not everyone is up for the task. The divorce rates of military couples is extremely high. The probability of staying married while one is deployed is incredibly low. It's sad, but it's true. When it hits the fan, people run instead of face it. I salute the most honorable people of our country, those fighting and those holding down that soldier's home here.

I hope this unfortunate story can be a lesson to other people planning on joining the military or planning on marrying someone joining the military. Wait and don't have kids. You'll hurt many more than just yourself.
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Postby Karoz » Tue May 08, 2007 10:04 am

moonhead wrote:
Karoz wrote:
BGbootha wrote:
moonhead wrote:yep. that sucks. everyone has their own opinions about this war, and this is another black eye for it. what does it say about society as well? such a litigious time we live in. it's really sad for the sake of our people.


Agreed, I don't care if you are for or against the war, but I would think you would have to be against this aspect of it.


What does this have to do with the war?

This woman joined the military with the knowledge that there was a possibility that she could be on foreign soil for an undetermined amount of time. She should have seen this coming. She left her child with its father. If the child lives and bonds with another person, then coming home and suddenly changing her home and her lifestyle would not be a good thing. The best thing for the child would be to remain in a familiar environment with a familiar guardian.

However, if you are intent on handing out blame for this incident, then blame our legal system or possibly even the mother for not analyzing the situation closely enough. Just don't use it as an excuse to criticize the war, as it is not a valid reason.


it has to do with a large contingency of america doesn't believe we should be there or ever have gone over there. but, that's not really the point.


I understand that there are a lot of people that are against the war.

My point was that this story is not a direct result of the war. This story is about the consequences of a woman's decision to join the military whilst being the single parent of a child.

Blaming the war for this woman losing her child would be like blaming a Casino for John Doe losing all of his money at a blackjack table. The Casino was merely the setting for the event, not the party at fault. The person at fault was John Doe for making such an ignorant decision to gamble away all of his money.

(Note that I am not calling the soldier ignorant.)
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Postby BGbootha » Tue May 08, 2007 10:21 am

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BGbootha wrote:
moonhead wrote:yep. that sucks. everyone has their own opinions about this war, and this is another black eye for it. what does it say about society as well? such a litigious time we live in. it's really sad for the sake of our people.


Agreed, I don't care if you are for or against the war, but I would think you would have to be against this aspect of it.


What does this have to do with the war?

This woman joined the military with the knowledge that there was a possibility that she could be on foreign soil for an undetermined amount of time. She should have seen this coming. She left her child with its father. If the child lives and bonds with another person, then coming home and suddenly changing her home and her lifestyle would not be a good thing. The best thing for the child would be to remain in a familiar environment with a familiar guardian.

However, if you are intent on handing out blame for this incident, then blame our legal system or possibly even the mother for not analyzing the situation closely enough. Just don't use it as an excuse to criticize the war, as it is not a valid reason.


Maybe I didn't word it right, but that was basically my point, No matter what your belief is about the war, this is a story that needs to be looked at from all angles. My point was the fact that this wasn't about the war. Apparently I didn't get that acrss.
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Postby Karoz » Tue May 08, 2007 11:06 am

BGbootha wrote:
Karoz wrote:
BGbootha wrote:
moonhead wrote:yep. that sucks. everyone has their own opinions about this war, and this is another black eye for it. what does it say about society as well? such a litigious time we live in. it's really sad for the sake of our people.


Agreed, I don't care if you are for or against the war, but I would think you would have to be against this aspect of it.


What does this have to do with the war?

This woman joined the military with the knowledge that there was a possibility that she could be on foreign soil for an undetermined amount of time. She should have seen this coming. She left her child with its father. If the child lives and bonds with another person, then coming home and suddenly changing her home and her lifestyle would not be a good thing. The best thing for the child would be to remain in a familiar environment with a familiar guardian.

However, if you are intent on handing out blame for this incident, then blame our legal system or possibly even the mother for not analyzing the situation closely enough. Just don't use it as an excuse to criticize the war, as it is not a valid reason.


Maybe I didn't word it right, but that was basically my point, No matter what your belief is about the war, this is a story that needs to be looked at from all angles. My point was the fact that this wasn't about the war. Apparently I didn't get that acrss.


I did misinterpret your post, but my response was directed towards Moon more than anyone else.

I think Moon understands my point as well. I just wasn't sure why he would suggest that this was "another black eye" for the war, when the war isn't at all responsible for these sorts of events.
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Postby moonhead » Tue May 08, 2007 11:12 am

Karoz wrote:
BGbootha wrote:
Karoz wrote:
BGbootha wrote:
moonhead wrote:yep. that sucks. everyone has their own opinions about this war, and this is another black eye for it. what does it say about society as well? such a litigious time we live in. it's really sad for the sake of our people.


Agreed, I don't care if you are for or against the war, but I would think you would have to be against this aspect of it.


What does this have to do with the war?

This woman joined the military with the knowledge that there was a possibility that she could be on foreign soil for an undetermined amount of time. She should have seen this coming. She left her child with its father. If the child lives and bonds with another person, then coming home and suddenly changing her home and her lifestyle would not be a good thing. The best thing for the child would be to remain in a familiar environment with a familiar guardian.

However, if you are intent on handing out blame for this incident, then blame our legal system or possibly even the mother for not analyzing the situation closely enough. Just don't use it as an excuse to criticize the war, as it is not a valid reason.


Maybe I didn't word it right, but that was basically my point, No matter what your belief is about the war, this is a story that needs to be looked at from all angles. My point was the fact that this wasn't about the war. Apparently I didn't get that acrss.


I did misinterpret your post, but my response was directed towards Moon more than anyone else.

I think Moon understands my point as well. I just wasn't sure why he would suggest that this was "another black eye" for the war, when the war isn't at all responsible for these sorts of events.

yeah. i just think that this certainly isn't going to sway anyone in favor of the war and would probably have quite the opposite effect. even though, as you pointed out, it is not the fault of the war.
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Postby Karoz » Tue May 08, 2007 11:19 am

moonhead wrote:
Karoz wrote:
BGbootha wrote:
Karoz wrote:
BGbootha wrote:
moonhead wrote:yep. that sucks. everyone has their own opinions about this war, and this is another black eye for it. what does it say about society as well? such a litigious time we live in. it's really sad for the sake of our people.


Agreed, I don't care if you are for or against the war, but I would think you would have to be against this aspect of it.


What does this have to do with the war?

This woman joined the military with the knowledge that there was a possibility that she could be on foreign soil for an undetermined amount of time. She should have seen this coming. She left her child with its father. If the child lives and bonds with another person, then coming home and suddenly changing her home and her lifestyle would not be a good thing. The best thing for the child would be to remain in a familiar environment with a familiar guardian.

However, if you are intent on handing out blame for this incident, then blame our legal system or possibly even the mother for not analyzing the situation closely enough. Just don't use it as an excuse to criticize the war, as it is not a valid reason.


Maybe I didn't word it right, but that was basically my point, No matter what your belief is about the war, this is a story that needs to be looked at from all angles. My point was the fact that this wasn't about the war. Apparently I didn't get that acrss.


I did misinterpret your post, but my response was directed towards Moon more than anyone else.

I think Moon understands my point as well. I just wasn't sure why he would suggest that this was "another black eye" for the war, when the war isn't at all responsible for these sorts of events.

yeah. i just think that this certainly isn't going to sway anyone in favor of the war and would probably have quite the opposite effect. even though, as you pointed out, it is not the fault of the war.


In terms of public opinion, you are absolutely right.

Many people will hear this story, and will immediately blame it on the war, claiming that her responsibility as a soldier in Iraq forced her to be away from her child. This misguided blame will almost certainly be portrayed as belonging to the war, when there is no logical reasoning that suggests that it is a correct assertion.
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